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Brooke
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This was really funny Mattias, thanks for sharing! 😆 😆 

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Brooke
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This was really funny Mattias, thanks for sharing! 😆 😆 

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Manisha
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Posted by: @meyes

The song expresses a woman´s frustration that she can´t use her active, masculine side to attract a man. The shooting thing is a metaphore for that, and the line about strolling with umbrellas is a metaphore for the feminine attitude that does work for attracting men.

As for me criticizing you it´s for you habit of telling other people in this discussion what´s supposingly right, just as you did in your post above. You have a history doing that, inclusing telling me how limited my intellectual capacity is, but I´m not going into that here.

As I explained in the first post on this thread, the movie followed the musical which was based on the real life story of Annie Oakley.

Yes, the song does express a woman’s frustration that she thought she can’t use her supposedly masculine talents to attract a man. And yes, as in the line about strolling with umbrellas, she thought it was the only way to attract a man.

But, as the movie progresses and as we follow the real life story of Annie Oakley, we see that not only does she stick with her supposedly masculine talents, but in the process she also gets a husband and a very fierce warrior as her father.

Not only that, she also gets the backing and support and respect of the royal families in Europe, including that of the female Queen of England, who also had a husband.

Also, her husband not only respected her talents but also cherished her so much that he died a few days after her death. When he and Annie competed in their first shooting match, he lost to her, and yet he married her.

Since I don’t know him personally, I would assume that the reason he cherished her was that he saw Annie for who she was, and how her talents added to who she was as a whole person, and how much she could achieve by being a whole person instead of utilising only a small part of her qualities. But that’s only my romantic conjecture.

Because of all this background information, I could not see the connection to the central theme of your post that a woman being receptive to a man and only having supposedly feminine talents gets her a husband. Annie Oakley’s life story proved that theory wrong.

Hence, I pointed out that a part could be misinterpreted as proving a point when taken out of context, but when one knows the background, the context comes into focus, and the right meaning is understood from that context.

If you could further explain the connection that you see with respect to your central theme with Annie’s life, that would be great.

 

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Mattias
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@manisha I think you´d better address Ernst explaining to him why his teaching is wrong, Manisha. I think it´s a great song, that´s all. I can´t see that it denies any of the real Anne Oakley´s qualities; I was 30 years since I saw the musical but if I remember it correctly she´s depicted as a quite independent woman, strong in her masculine side. Which doesn´t take anything away from this one song, expressing the frustration of hers (the muscial Annie Oakley, not necessarily the historical one) of having to act in a female way for to bond.

Mattias

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Amit Bhat
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I have not fully followed the related threads but what I resonate with Ernst is that for men having a healthy masculine side is very important and for women having a healthy feminine side is very important. Both men and women have masculine and feminine sides but if man tries to be more feminine and women tend to be more masculine, it doesn't go well with natural creation and they can't be really happy of who they are. 

Having said that it doesn't mean woman should not use their masculine side but first see she is paying enough attention to her feminine side to heal it where it is damaged. As woman would resort to rely more on masculine side when their feminine side is failing. Similarly a man must ensure his masculine side is healthy so he can utilize his feminine side in a balanced way and not as a failover option.

So woman should use their masculine side however and whenever they need but not as a compensating factor for feminine issues and vice versa for men.

 

 

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Mattias
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@amit Yes. This song is about a woman realizing that being strong in her masculine side doesn´t help her bonding to a man that she´s in love with. That, of course, does not mean that she should give up her masculine side in other areas in life. Many women are not willing to bond from their feminine side, which is unwise but obviously a free choice.

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Amit Bhat
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@meyes 

Yes, lot of people would be suffering from gender issues like Ernst explained... rahu ketu in angles messes up the identity of the person... then you see them plus any malefics coming 4th from moon or lagna or with moon disturbing woman.. similarly afflicted sun or malefics in 10th from lagna or sun hits a man's ability...

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Amit Bhat
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@meyes 

Yes, lot of people would be suffering from masculine and feminine issues like Ernst explained... rahu ketu in angles messes up the ability of the person to be a healthy masculine or feminine... then you see them plus any malefics coming 4th from moon or lagna or with moon disturbing woman.. similarly afflicted sun or malefics in 10th from lagna or sun hits a man's ability...

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