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tuyetv
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i have a friend and she has a friend who is an astrologer. This astrologer told her that her mom would die in a certain year. She was crying and worried about that for the whole year. Her mom did not die. As a matter of fact that was 12 years ago, and her mom is still living. So i thought about Angela's question, read the replies and thought i share my thoughts. Again nothing is right and nothing is wrong here. Just a collaboration of opinions on an interesting question

Let's say you read a chart and the question is either will i be able to have a child or will i get married (often asked questions). You see No as the answer to these two questions. The client really wants the answer to be a Yes. What are you going to do?

1. Tell the client you don't see that as a possibility now, but in the future that might change to give the person hope. Are we so sure the the answer is No to these questions to convey our answer to the client? Our answer could mess up someone's psychological mind

2. Tell the client you don't see the possibilities in the chart so the answer is No. Then talk to the client and suggest if the client can't have children, the client could look for alternatives such as adoption, being a foster parent or volunteer to work with children. If the question is about marriage, then ask the client are they so sure that having a spouse will make them happy? There are tons of unhappy marriages. Perhaps they should learn to be happy by being on their own first before looking for someone else to make them happy.

The answer to a question might be No, but there are always alternatives to fix it. By giving the client alternatives that would be similar to giving them hope. I think your chart is what it is, but people can adjust their consciousness (easier said than done) to adapt to the situation that they are in. Consciousness is a variable factor. They can change it if they recognize the problem, and they want to make the change. Some people do some don't. If we are going to tell our client the "bad news" then i think we need to discuss alternatives with them to give them hope and to show them a different angle in approaching the issue that they may not consider. The LA tells us their strengths and weaknesses to a certain degree

If your client wants to know if he is going to be wealthy and you don't see any wealth yogas in his chart, but he will have "enough". What is wealth usually it means money but not always? how much? is that going to bring the client happiness? Everyone has a different definition of wealth, or having enough. Some people will never have enough, and some are happy with very little. They may not be wealthy like the Bill Gates or the Steve Jobs, but tell them "having enough" means they can set the bar as high as they want and strive to achieve it

Telling your clients Yes or No is not as important as how you communicate that Yes or No to your clients...

 

tuyet 

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Angela W
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@tuyetv

I can't believe these stories I'm hearing ☹️ . It's so horrible to tell someone teir mother is going to die. That poor person!

Thank you for taking the time to respond and share your thoughts. It really helped me see the different possibilities written out like that. I think either way it's a tricky and very sensitive situation. You're sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't. I also realize that you have to be really skilled and experience to be able to truly answer those kinds of yes/no questions with any certainty. And even then you don't really know what God has in store for them. So maybe it's just better to try to avoid those questions altogether and help the person shift the focus to things they do have an impact on like their consciousness and LAs.

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For another perspective on this I recommend the movie Captain Fantastic from 2016, with Viggo Mortensen (aka as "Aragorn"). That character has no fear at all to tell anyone the truth; he trust completely on everyone´s capacity to handle it. 

... thereby activating a chain of events that the person has to go through, seemingly. Life starts to unfold. No hiding away.

In a way I think we should not be concerned about the client, they are going to hear what they are supposed to hear. The concern is about the astrologer´s astrology karma.

Don´t use your power in a way that is going to come back and bite you.

The difference may be subtle... But I think we in a way must trust that we are telling people the right thing even when we aren´t... The important is to do our best.

Mattas 

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I haven't seen that movie yet. I'll have to put it on my list 🙂 . Sounds like the character has a great Mercury then.

I think part of my apprehension is probably based on my own chart and baggage. I want to do everything right, but I'm finding that several factors in my chart make that difficult to achieve. Also that's just not how life works, going through it without makind any mistakes 🤣 . So maybe I'll just have to be happy with doing my best (when I am ready).

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@angela-w  Now I´m getting curious about your chart...

And yeah, Viggo is great! Very funny movie too, and deeply human.

Mattias

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From the perspective of the Cards of Truth, I use a personal approach with it based on cards I have in common with them in my spread. For example, my last client had very similar cards to my own, so every bit of information I told them, I tried to think of how I would feel if someone were to tell me those bad things. For example, they had a Dhainya Parivartana yoga, which would affect their career and expenses, and since the person wanted me to focus on the theme of career for their reading, I tried to frame it in a way that wouldn't freak them out completely. Especially since this was a young person who just graduated university. I told them the "positive" aspects of the placement first, and gave them examples of successful people with this yoga before delivering the bad news part of it. Then I subsequently spent the rest of the reading reinforcing why this yoga wasn't as bad as it could be.

It sounds like a very self-centered, Spadesy approach to doing things when I say it out loud (how would this affect me?), but I have alot of Spades in my spread 😝

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That's my problem! I've been thinking about how I would feel if someone told me something related to my Rahu would never materialize successfully in my life. I think it would crush me, that's why I don't want to be the harbinger of doom. At the same time, I wonder whether not mentioning it all would be disingenuous. So maybe the sandwich approach would be the way to go!

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@angela-w I wonder if our trepidation has to do with how Jupiter and Venus' aspect eachother in our respective charts.

In my chart, Jupiter is opposing Venus exactly within a 0° orb in the 8th/2nd house axis. I remember someone mentioning in another thread that Astrologers with a strong Jupiter have the ability to enlighten people with their philosophical, and spiritual wisdom; while those with a strong Venus can act as a nurse and help their clients recuperate by providing comforting, practical, wisdom that facilitates healing. 

I'd say we have a good balance of both 🙂

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It helps to remember that we build our future and our lives day by day with our thoughts and actions. Believe in your client's abilities to transform themselves and their life circumstances through radical shifts in their mental habits and actions - it certainly helps with delivery. 🙂 

Most people just want (and desperately need) hope. However, false promises can be as detrimental as delivering bad news. 

So, instead of delivering a bad outcome, use it as an opportunity to bring light to parts of your client's consciousness that are being restricted by fear, small thinking, negligence, and bad experiences in their past lives. Tell them this is an area of life that will require a lot of work and dedication if they want a lot of money, or fulfilling relationship, etc. - chances are, they already know it because it is what they have experienced thus far. 

You can think of the difficulties in our chart as the keys to our own ascension process. If a client has some ambition to make a lot of money, then I feel it is part of their life path to go through the trials of making that happen. I tell people the fulfillment of their desires relies on their effort and dedication alone, but most people are only willing to put in a half-hearted effort.  So, instead of delivering bad news, I tell myself it isn't my job to decide their fate - instead I try to empower them with choices that will help them tackle a difficult area in their chart. 

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I like your approach and it strikes as being really balanced, compassionate and solution-oriented at the same time.

The only part I personally see a little different is that I don't think our fate is fully in our hands. I think there are situations in life in which we can't rely on our efforts and dedication alone or when we go to great lengths to achieve something and by some twist of fate we don't end up getting it. I've seen it happen many times and have also experienced it. It can be quite painful, so I wouldn't want to make someone feel like they have brought certain misfortunes upon themselves. I don't think that's what you were saying, but I just wanted to make sure to mention this.

I love your approach of empowering your clients and helping them tackle difficult areas in their charts. This is strikes me as sound advice. Thank you for that!

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Brooke, what you say about faith is so true. Nevertheless, the astrologer is not God, he is the mere translator(hopefully a good one :)) of the Grahas, that according to PSHS and Graha Sutras, are aspects of God.

It is not the astrologer s responsibility to determine someone s forthcoming nor is he even able to do so(he s NOT GOD). The astrologer one chooses to consult with is part of one's fate. What he does with the info he gets is his responsibility!

It might be helpful to explain that we are perfectly equipped for our mission and anything, whether good or bad, that happens to us is perfectly gauged into the fabric of one's life, fate, mission.

Why is not having money BAD NEWS? Who says that?- You, me, society, God?

It is not to say that we shell massacre people à la Uma Thurman in Kill Bill. There are many ways to deliver negative truth in an empowering way.

The jupiterian astrologer will explain the root of the question and the bigger picture while the venusian one will provide tips for how to improve one's habits.

One more thing comes to my mind- is astrology not 8th house stuff?

As delicate and compassionate as one can act with the client......

I stop it here, did not mean to write literature  :). Greetings!

 

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You're right, in theory, since it's related to the 8th house, if you decide to venture into that territory, you should have the emotional strength to be able to deal with anything you find. I feel like many people (myself included) don't have that emotional strength to hear certain difficult truths though.

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@angela-w  "If you´re looking for trouble, you came to the right place!"

... as Elvis sang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-1qW2xAU4

Mattias

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@meyes Ahaha! 🙃 😎

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@angela-w I understand that moment of inner emergency whenever one see s something difficult to convey. Especially, when there is a lot of water in their chart "I pray for help from above". And it also happened to me to refuse to do a reading. It was someone from my family. , and based on their chart it would have become far too intimate and would have for sure infringed certain boundaries to family relations. Another case is friends that ask us just because they get it for free, a very delicate topic.

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@sandyacc yes very tricky. I actually told a friend: “you’ve asked too many people, the Gods are messing with you.” (Too many people included me as well though she reciprocated not with money but with a generous barter so I can’t say it was entirely free, still, it was easy for her to just text me and ask). But she got it and said I was probably right. So, I really think the more one consult on the same question, the more one is going to get confusing answers. Ernst mentioned that in one of his videos. And, people am very close to, tricky tricky indeed. 

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@mona I read your friend's story and had a good laugh about it. If people do look for permission or simply not value what they get (after all it s about our time), it all leads back to people not knowing what astrology really is.

I quote my teenie "It is not like popcorn a the movies, that comes in small, medium, and large. They see you drawing a circle, some lines and saying something about mercury-something-venus-something and poof: magick!"

Herewith I am lancing #AstrologersLifeMatters and #MakeAstrologyAcademicAgain

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@sandyacc LOL

well, here’s another funny one for you: that same friend sends me her friend who’s also a neighbor and real estate agent. After the reading, she goes to my friend and husband: “Mona said I would sell your house” 😱 which I never ever said... not even close... “Funny” part is that they ended up hiring her to sell their house but she completely screwed up and they fired her before it even went on the market... they just sold with one of her colleagues (and she’s getting a cut), so like I said tricky! 

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