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Ernst Wilhelm
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nope combust planets are low in chestha bala, so a person does not USE them when they should. When we get into strenghts with avasthas you will see how a planet has 4 strengths, 4 things it offers, when its low in one of those things, it more readily gets starved on that level. 

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@ernst

Okay, thank you Ernst 

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in answer to what direction the will should be applied, its to in the direction that the inner voice says yes to. 

 

Would Saturn in the mix completely hide the inner voice, especially in terms of understanding the "grounded Sun" i.e. Sun as it wants to be in the world. or just reduce confidence because of fixation on the perceived flaw (like the nose/actress in the example you gave in the video)

 

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No planet completely hides the inner voice. The planets make it harder for a person to be centered in the place where they can hear the inner voice. But its never actually hidden. One planet in bad shape does not make it harder than another planet in bad shape, so saturn does no worse and is no worse. 

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For myself, the inner voice is the first thought that comes in my mind. The best of it is when my heart sings with joy when that first thought comes in the mind.

A split second later, and all the avasthas start playing their tunes telling me reasons not to follow that first thought. Or the mind starts weaving stories about expectations and needs and desires.

The shift is so quick that one has to be on their toes to catch it, and then drop the stories and follow the inspiration to see where it leads. It might lead to a painful experience or it might lead to a joyful experience, but it always brings up something within that needs to be looked at.

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@manisha - I've been through the self analyze-improve process last year too, and the first thing that kept coming was how many voices were there in my mind! (I have a Ra/Mo conjunction)! It's been an initiation of a stressful but rewarding healing process. I have realized too  that first voice goes away so quickly!! 

I'm still working my way through it, but first thing I really had to do was to stop listening to my mind, even though it kept making noises, which has been extremely hard to achieve but it is possible. I have been able to reduce the noises by ~50% over the last year. I was blessed with spiritual mentors, and even circumstances that were forcing me for self inquiry. (Started school, and the questions involved essay type answers to career inspirations, talk about timing)

I am helped by an awasthawise rocking retrograde mercury. After trying a lot of things, I realized that my mind will keep feeding me nonsense until the intuition is developed. I believe that's what Ernst calls as inner voice.

 Glad to hear that you have felt joy in the heart. I can sense joy originate in the head every once a while, but have felt it in the heart only a handful number of times! I think this course with application of the concrete concepts taught by Ernst is going to help a lot of people 

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@scoobydoo  I wonder if the voices are about the planets with Ketu or aspecting it. The voices from Rahu shouldn’t really hold us back. Hmmm, something else to check.

Yes, the joy in the heart is not always present. I wonder if it happens when we truly step on the Rahu path, but is quiet when we skirt the path without completely committing to it.

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@manisha

I did not understand what you meant by "quiet when we skirt the path without completely committing to it." 

I believe, we have our own Rahu, Ketu journeys. I don't think I have had Rahu getting me into trouble because it is false, but it has a lot of times because it gets too futuristic, It goes to the future, evaluates with the help of mercury and blurts out what it sees without consideration. So, now I have a fear of how what I say will be received, especially negative things. That is the part to I am trying to balance by reducing the voices.   

It happens with good things too, for ex:,  when I sometimes say that the future of medicine is electric rays and it can cure any physical condition, I get stared at and kind of outcasted 😀

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I have been thinking about how to get the heart singing most of the time instead of some times. So, I am sharing something that I am still pondering upon, so take it with a grain of salt.

Rahu is not the problem. It is Ketu, our past, the territory that we have already conquered that holds us back. It whispers, it beguiles, it guilt-trips, it regrets, it scares - anything to keep us held back. 

At this time, I am stepping into something that is scary. Any healing that I have done up until now, and it has been deep healing, seems like window dressing in front of this. I have finally reached the heart of the matter that is holding me back. What I am doing is not the scary part, but the psychological baggage that is attached to it is. I take one step forward two steps back. I know that I am afraid, and I know what I am afraid of, which really is nothing to be afraid of, but even consciously trying to break through that block, even with the encouragement I am getting, is exhausting.

So, even though I know what will set me truly free, I am still skirting the path, taking baby steps into Rahu, untying each knot as I progress. 

I think when we release something deep within ourselves and really embrace something on the Rahu path is when the heart sings. But I need to observe a bit more before I can say it with any surety.

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@manisha

Thank you for explaining that. Yes, what you say makes sense to me now. Sounds like you are going to go on an adventure of a lifetime :D, good luck! Ya, it can be exhausting! but keeping on at it is the way! and it will work 

I can see now why Ketu can be a problem. My mother has Ke with 5 other grahas, and nearing the age of 60 she is so tentatively stepping into Rahu. 

Earlier, I couldn't fully comprehend what you said because I was thinking from my own life perspective. I've been thrown into Ra since childhood lol, way before I knew about Rahu's existence.. Some knowledge before stepping into Rahu really helps..   

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I have 5 planets around Ketu too. I am wondering, did your mom ever start on the Rahu journey, but got pulled back into Ketu? I was well on my way in my Rahu MD, but dang it, something needed to be healed and I failed the test and paid for it with a couple of decades in time and energy. No regrets, though. I still learned a lot.

And do you have many planets around Rahu?

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@manisha 

I just checked her chart, she has 4. Yes, she did start and get pulled back. From an impartial point of view, I'd say it was mostly because she expected things to be perfect, so she pulled herself into those things. For example, taking on certain tasks before she was even assigned thinking that no-one else would do it properly. 

Yes, happy that you leant a lot from your experiences. I believe its a balance, and Rahu, Ketu pull us the way we need to have experiences. I have been pulled to Ketu many times too. 

I have just one around Rahu- but it's the Moon.. and my Rahu dasha started before I turned 4. That was enough. I still sometimes struggle with common-sense things that is obvious to everyone else in my Rahu area. I haven't healed yet, but getting confident about it every year. 

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I just came back to this thread because something just struck me related to this thread.

Joy originates in the head, and is felt in the heart. It ties in with Su exalted in Ar, Ju exalted in Cn. And we are all trying to get to the Ju experience but it starts with the Su. 

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True. But perhaps, the best one is Venus exalted in Jupiterian sign of Pisces. Then you have sorted out all the debilitations and gathered all the exaltations on the way 😀 

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I think being aware that whatever we expereince (for example, feeling of being pulled into the depression, or feeling not worthy, or the fear of not being able to get rid of a disease, or the lack of strength to do an exercise, or inability to communicate our boundary) is what we experience at this moment, but it doesn't mean that it will stay with us for the rest of our lives, and it doesn't mean at all that it will not go away or change even in the next 15 minutes, - we become free of bad habits, of the unconscious patterns.

And when we think: "i feel depressed at the moment and - oh no, help! that means i am gonna be depressed for the rest of my life and will never get rid of it!" -  that's when a bad habit, an uncoscious pattern, is running our life. 

to not allow that, we need to be aware of what we feel in the moment - and be aware that we can do something to change that feeling, to give ourselves what we need at any given moment, like doing something that makes us feel good.

i think is this can also be a path to freedom of bad habits.

 

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