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Anand
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Hi Ernst,

If a planet has enough delight on it, then the issue of solving bad lajjitadi avastha does not arise, right? Because the solution to the starvation is already built in to the chart, so the solving is already part of the person's fate, right?

What if the planet has little or no delight? Then the issue of solving the bad lajjitadi avastha arises and it is left to our free-will, right?

I would like to refer to the "low watery place; portable dishwasher" example you mentioned in the Mercury delighting Saturn class, it was quite hilarious. 

Even though you don't have Mercury delighting your Saturn in your chart, you understood how it works, so I would assume if the same thing happened all over again, you would remove the portable dishwasher to look beneath it, instead of letting your Mars look at the same place again and again. So you have solved the "Mars starving Saturn" avastha with your free-will right?

Now,  the key to solving "Mars starving Saturn" seems to be understanding how

  1. Mars starves Saturn
  2. Mercury/Venus delights Saturn

Can an arbitrary person develop this understanding by hanging around a role model with

  1. Proud Saturn or
  2. Mercury/Venus delighting Saturn by full 60 points

and watching them in action?

My kids (I have six year old twins) have "Mars starving Saturn" (Rahu/Saturn in Scorpio) with very little delight on Saturn. I was wondering how they can solve this bad lajjitadi avastha, if they show no interest in learning astrology?

Of course, they can do meditation/follow spiritual path, but I want to understand how to use astrology to develop free-will.

Regards,  Anand

 

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Manisha
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@anand

Man, you are on fire. I love coming across people on the same wavelength as me. 

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Anand
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@manisha

I am glad you feel that way 🙂

I have always been passionate about free will. Coming from a fairly traditional south Indian family, astrology was an almost daily topic in my house, and I used to scoff at it because of the seemingly un-scientific way with which it was being used. In 2006, I was handed "autobiography of a yogi" and it nudged me from a die hard rationalist into a path of spiritual enquiry. I also noticed the references to astrology in that book.  

Later I heard a spiritual guru say "I encourage you to study astrology, you will know where you are stuck. Then, you won't need me".  Since spirituality is big on free-will, I felt at that time there must be some interplay between fate and free-will.

After I came across Ernst's teachings, I think I am able to make further progress on understanding the big picture. Especially lajjitadi avasthas make a lot of sense from a "gateway to free-will" point of view.

 

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Ernst Wilhelm
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Yes, if there is a lot of delight a person will work past it on their own, if not, they need help such as can be offered by astrology or proper counseling, possibly with astrology. A good counselor should be able to get to the issue, just with astrology we can see it right away. I will be starting a course at the beginning of next year covering this use of lajjitaadi avashtas in a way that will be counseling centered. 

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Amit Bhat
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@ernst

Hi Ernst 

It is said - 
you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

So until the person has a thirst for improvement , it is very unlikely to do anything for him/her ?

Or sometimes the person may have thirst but the circumstances can be very bad.

May be people are doomed for sometime in life like some very bad dasha/bukti and nothing can be done until that passes?

For being attracted to a good astrologer needs luck,means something good indicated in chart. 

So unless something good in chart somewhere, the person is tied to experience the bad avasthas? 

 

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Manisha
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@ernst @amit

Ernst, in addition to Amit’s questions, I also wonder if it is also the debilitated planets that cause people to take longer to get to the place of wanting things to change. Once the desire is there, things fall into place, until they reach another plateau and have to wait for the momentum to build up again?

Great questions, Amit.

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rimasahdev
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that is so fabulous Ernst. 

Is it possible to help someone who has combust planets to learn to work with them?

and the same for people with debilitated planets.

or are these people doomed for life?

thanks 

rima

 

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Veronica
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I think it's important to consider the maturation and natural age of the planets - in my opinion, it's good to expose children to spiritual teachings, however, it's is a process that we can not rush, we can teach values, respect for others and try to make our children learn about kindness, fairness and keep them away from religions that could make them feel guilty if they don't act in a certain way, therefore, limiting their free will. Probably the way we can help our children is by understanding instead of reacting when their "bad avasthas " show up in their behavior.... I would love to learn how to use astrology to help and understand my son and what can I do as a mom

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Anand
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@veronica

I agree with everything you said.

One thing I have heard repeatedly said is that we are just observers, not doers. It may seem like we are doing something or have to do something, but in reality there is "nothing to do, nowhere to go".

The best strategy maybe to just sit back and watch the life events unfolding, as if we are watching a movie. Even for the actions performed by us, we identify with the observer rather than the doer. We just observe ourselves going about our lives.

Now, we may observe things we do not like, or we may have feelings we do not enjoy. These may be due to our bad lajjitadi avasthas, but we may not need to anything, as long as we realize we are not the character immersed in the drama, but merely an observer. But if this does not give us the equanimity, we can put efforts to solve the bad lajjitadi avasthas and direct the drama along a new path, and see if we can change our observations and feelings.

Based on what I know so far, the key thing is to not identify with what we experience, but just be the observer. We have the free-will to do that. Then it does not matter even if do not solve our bad lajjitadi avasthas. If we try to solve them anyway, we are just playing with our free-will, so to speak.

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tuyetv
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i have a very "exciting" 7th house with 3 planets and Ketu so i have all sort of combinations, proud, shame, delight, combust all going on at the same time. I started studying astrology over 2 years ago as a hobby, and as i study my chart i realized the strengths and weakness of my character base on avasthas, yogas, aspects etc... Why things happen a certain way in my life and how i handled them in the past given the chart that i have and the placement of the planets in my chart. I came to the conclusion that you can use free-will to improve your weaknesses by using the stronger planets in your chart to help you. But first you have to recognize your weaknesses and want to improve them. It is a life time process. I am lucky that i have a great Jupiter and Saturn. That is what i find so fascinating about astrology. It has been a very spiritual journey for me.

Fate is a difficult thing to alter. My grandparents were married despite the fact that the astrologer told them one of them would die young. Knowing this, they both still wanted to be married, and yes my grandfather died at the age of 46. My grandmother lived for another 51 years after his death, and she told me she would not change a thing. It was in her chart that she was to be married to him, and she did it with the full knowledge of the future consequences

I remembered in one of Ernst's videos he said a client came to see him with 2 charts of the women he was dating. Ernst told him one was a good woman and the other was just bad and run from her. But sure enough even knowing that, the client still went with the bad woman because it was in his chart that he needed to learn his lesson

 

tuyet

 

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Anand
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Posted by: @tuyetv

I came to the conclusion that you can use free-will to improve your weaknesses by using the stronger planets in your chart to help you

@tuyetv

Can you please give an example to walk us through how this can be done?

Free-will is probably the trickiest concept I have come across, so an example would definitely help!

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