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venkat_r
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Hi Ernst,

In marriage yogas section for yogas denying marriage, 

The 7th lord in the 5th, or the 5th lord in the 7th indicates that the native may not marry and if he does he will be childless.

Here do you mean the native will exercise the choice to not marry himself (Self denial) or due to the relationships being disrupted he will never get to marry any one of them?

Because in the marriage research I did few months back, this yoga was seen for people above 30 but they are unlikely to have had relationships before and no marriage prospect either. Even for a close acquaintance I know, he is 32 and has 5th lord in 7th for Sagittarius Lagna but no relationships or love affairs at all and no marriage prospect either.

 

And one more thing, you said marriage should be given by 5th or 9th lord then why is the 5th lord in 7th or vice versa a bad yoga ?

 

 

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Ernst Wilhelm
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Generally, if there is any influence from saturn or rahu to the 7th, its lord, or the yoga planet, more likely it will be just nothing happening. I dont know why this yoga does not allow marriage, you would think it would, but it does not. Thats why its a yoga I taught. Most yogas are just reiterations of basic principles, so 95% of yogas you can just throw away, they are not real yogas. But a few like this defy the normal rules and so are worth knowing. 

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@ernst I'm confused. As I understand things, 7th house represents the relationship partner, and 9th house represents the marriage, as in legal marriage. So this 5th lord in 7th and 7th lord in the 5th yoga denies having any relationship partner whatsoever, and hence, the legal marriage. Or does it deny legal marriage in particular? Because I have Rahu (delaying, not necessarily denying) in 7th and 7th lord EX in 5th (Venus), and I haven't had a relationship (no partners). So, in my case, no partners hence no legal marriage. But one can have relationships without ever getting legally married. So, as I understand this yoga, I'm never going to have a relationship partner that I would marry legally. Am I correct? Or am I not getting any action whatsoever? 

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venkat_r
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@astroalex : What he meant was... if you have the yoga and you also have influence of Saturn or Rahu to the 7th house or its lord or the yoga forming planet,  then there is no action (no relationship) happening which is your case as you have Rahu in 7th and also 7th lord Venus in 5th. So Rahu is denying relationship here.

If you hadn't had Rahu influencing 7th you could have probably got into a relationship during Venus or Jupiter periods.

If you just have the yoga without Saturn or Rahu influence, then it mostly ends the relationship and thus does not allow marriage.

 

 

 

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astroalex
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@venkat_r Thank you for replying, Venkat. That has been my experience so far. I guess now I can point my thoughts in other directions and not have this relationship question distract me anymore.

I wonder if this combination denies having sex as well. What do you think? 

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Manisha
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@astroalex @venkat_r

In your case, Alex, and in your research, Venkat, was the need for a marriage partner felt? Was the desire to get married experienced within the self? Or was it more in response to what we see around us or what is expected of us by others?

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@manisha For me it was due to what I saw around me and what I felt people expected of me. I never truly desired to get married or have a commited relationship. However, I do want to experience having sex. But now I don't know if even that will be happening.

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@astroalex Thanks for your candid reply. I wonder if the Rahu-Ketu axis comes into play, especially if it is the 2nd-8th or Taurus-Scorpio. I also wonder if the Avasthas of Venus affects our needs.

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@manisha In my case Ketu is in my Scorpio lagna with Saturn and Rahu is alone in the 7th, in Taurus. Mars and Venus are conjunct in the 5th, in Pisces. Venus has the highest Shad Bala. I also have Moon in the 8th, and it's my DK. I think all this makes me desire sexual experiences without commitments, but also delays them, or even denies them alltogether. I really don't know anymore. 

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@astroalex Ketu with Saturn gives the security paradigm of wanting to be responsible and in control. Venus exalted in Pisces is about giving up control and loving for the sake of love, with no expectations in return. With Mars in Pisces, is Mars floundering when it comes to giving up control?

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@manisha In my case, yes. One of the things I am here to learn is being there for others, without neglecting myself and becoming a doormat. If I don't take care of myself first, I won't be able to do as much for others. There needs to be a good balance between my (lagna lord Mars) and other people's (7th lord Venus) needs. So I'm learning the ropes.

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Hi Ernst and/or anyone,

Could you please remind me of the level of importance of the "5th in the 7th" yoga when it is found in the navamsha but not in the D1/rashi.

And if that 5th lord also happens to be the Darakaraka, does this further guarantee a denial of marriage (or even death of the spouse)?

One more curve ball... : But what if this 5th lord Darakaraka is exalted when placed in the 7th, and "conjunct"( same navamsha sign) a dignified Venus (dignified in Navamsha as well as the D1)?

Thanks for the info,

S.

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Ernst Wilhelm
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This yoga is for the rasi, as are most yogas. 

If 5th lord is DK, you have to read it as DK and see what it says. If DK is exalted, it will help things out. 

 

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Mitryendra80
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@ernst I see. Thank you.

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Manisha
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I can understand 9th lord giving marriage, which is expansion, but why would 5th lord give marriage?

The act of creation or creating children does not need marriage. Could it be that under the patriarchal society, it might have been needed to ensure property and hierarchy was passed down to legitimate heirs?

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