My youngest son has Mars, Venus and Mercury in Mitra, which is also his Lagna. His elder sister wanted us to name him Björn, which means bear, and sure, why not, good idea! Venus and Mars in the Lagna, can you see why he´s a beer cub? Sweet and fierce simultaneously. Once when he was little, at the zoo: we came to the bears when everyone else had left, it was just us, and they came directly up to him, trying to embrace him through the protection glass.
Anyway... This summer - he´s 16 now - a distant cousin of mine who owns the only still working farm in the village, offered him a job: to paint an old outbuilding. Nothing was said about any salary, it was just implied. He finished the job, it took him a week or two, and after that: nothing. I, his father that definitly doesn´t have much of mitra in my horoscope and a weak, impatient Saturn, wondered if he wasn´t going to ask him about the money. "Nope." A week passed by, until they met at the village´s fishing competetion, and he got his salary; more than he had expected, and praise for his job too. He also won the fishing competetion, but that´s another story.
Anyway. Very Mitra from what I get from Ernst´s description. Trust. Believing in a handshake, even when there were no concrete handshake. And knowing that if he helps a person, he´s going to be helped too.
Also my son has his Saturn in Tvastha. The paternal law, ancestors... The farm the outbuilding belonged to used to be my grandfathers and after that my mother´s and her siblings; they sold it to their nephew so that it would stay in the family and still be in use. 5th generation there; my son was born in Chile, grew up in Mexico, but lives in Sweden since 2023. And there he was, painting his great great grandfather´s outbuilding.
Staffan
Interesting, those stories on mitra, I would need to hear more about it. I have my Ascendant there but I have hard time figuring out if it's coming from Varuna or Mitra. I feel like Mitra is work or being social during the day, while Varuna is during the night (or at home). So Varuna it seems can be seen as more lazy ass work 🤣 passivity at it's highest degree, just half kidding here. I have seen some Mitra being very good with the social abilities. But for some reason it doesn't come all the time, like for the Sun I see less often, mercury is key here it seems. I have a friend though with just mercury there and he is always the best friend you can have around. And when I say best it's not as a partner only because he also have Aryama Sun so a bit like Ernst from this side. But the Mitra come out stronger. He came back from France recently for holidays, everyone came to say hi almost. Even if in my family it's almost war time now and almost no one talk to each other anymore. When he was there everyone was seeing each other. But he has a very bad reputation at the same time though because the Amshu is afflicted, Mars Saturn there. So the mitra is the saving grace here. Aryama is there too but in the 8th house it's not very out there in the wild. But Mitra with mercury is in the 9th house, so it does appear a lot. So he has a very good social circle. And he isn't stuck on being there sticky, he is well optimised you could say, he can be there and go elsewhere if he wants. So true mitra in my opinion. I always thought this was coming from his Sun in Aries before the Aditya class.
@lorris So how do you see the Aditya astrology, generally speaking? It´s like the astrology of the deeper motivations, don´t you think? Like the strong, unconscious undercurrent in our lives? That, and the placements of the nodes... Also the nakshatras, especially the Moon nakshatra. Like, what REALLY motivates a person.
The lajjitaadi avasthas are more about the emotional wounds and failed strategies, wrongful expectations on life due to them...?
Staffan
I think it is about dharma. In one of the videos, Ernst talks about how in many times and places you can find groups where this thing was right, but in another it was wrong. E.g., think about all the various ideas about the rights or wrongs of sex among the different groups of humans in the world.
Then the question is not, are these particular rules right or wrong, but do they follow or not a greater law. In other words, it could be that even if two different groups have opposite views on sex, both could be in a situation of following dharma. So I'm thinking that on one level at least the Adityas are giving us a broader perspective on what is dharmic or not. One of the shlokas from the Bhagavatam that the course starts with talks about "true-mindedness", that the Adityas are leading to true-mindedness, i.e.,, dharma.
@j0sh4rp3 That is exactly what it is, you nailed it. In our guilttripping western minds we tend to focus on the negative and the bad repercussions of karma, not realizing that much of the wrongdoing are wrong only in relation to a much more superficial law than the law of dharma, which we break happily and without even a thought.
Staffan
@j0sh4rp3 When I refer to the west I mean the christian sphere, of course. Further west we have the native American cultures that focus on relations rather than on the self.
What you say is really profound. We have been taught that being aware of the lack and the negative form is consciousness, while the opposite is much more true. Keeping an eye on the negative, for sure, but focus on the positive form, the reason why we are here, believing that the divinity wants us here and that we have a mission on Earth - dharma. That makes the whole difference.
"Don´t worry - be happy!" It goes deeper than one may think.
Staffan
To me it's more than just motivation, it seems to show what we thought the Zoo was showing. Being Sun gods they seem to show our divine attributes. I'm not really the person able to answer that question yet though. I would need more time, Ernst has more to say there. All I can say here is just a guess. But it shows something deeper than the Zoo, for sure. One thing they shows more than anything is our creative spark, our ability to love and create or destroy. But Ernst has probably better words to express this here.
@lorris After all they are all manifestations of the Sun, so it´s about the essence. I also think it connects us to the spirits that surround us. Like what I told about my experience in the USA, I don´t know if you read it? The guides presence through the Aditya´s energy... Deeply mystic, hard to explain.
Staffan
Maybe I missed it, I wasn't too much on the forum in the last month. I looked at it from time to time.