Hi Ernst,
I watched the Aditya video you recently put out.
I noticed when you were correlating the Adityas with the chakras, things got out of line with the usual chakra-zodiac correlation. As opposed to Cancer(Indra) and Leo(Vivaswan) ruling the third eye, you gave Gemini(Varuna) and Cancer(Indra) to the third eye, Taurus(Mitra) and Leo(Vivaswan) to the throat, and so on.
This goes against yogic teaching of the astral body. Now we no longer have one planet ruling each chakra(which is supposed to contain its male and female rashi).
I'm scared 😮
However I have always wondered, as have others, why the sign beginning with the Summer Solstice isn't ruled by the Sun and The one before it by the Moon. That way we would have the upward-moving lunar current, the Ida or or nourisher nadi of the energy body, on the left, going through the nourishing half of the year and ending on the left petal of the third eye. Then, descending from the highest point at the northern solstice, we would have the Pingala beginning with what should be the Sun sign on the right petal and going down from there. But the tropical zodiac has the 2 consecutive signs that both come after the solstice in the third eye.
A lot of things in astrology don't make sense.
However the Adityas you have for the rashis do make sense, but there is one I just can quite understand. I cannot reconcile Varuna with Gemini. How are they alike?
Also, why do all the published lists based on the Srimad Bhagavam or Vishnu Purana have it one rashi ahead of you, with Dhata starting at Aries instead of Pisces? I like your arrangement better. There are other texts that have the Adityas, rashis, and solar months in very different places than the Vishnu purana.
Any thoughts?
P.S. I know you said forget about the "zodiac" but I was also thinking about planet rulerships, like reconciling a Mercury sign(Gemini) with Varuna.
I am fine with Indra ruling Cancer because that is where Jupiter is exalted and Jupiter is ruled by Indra. Also the Moon, as a male, was a fertility bull and Indra was described as a bull. Also the Moon is Soma and Indra drinks Soma. I am also fine with firey Vivaswan ruling Leo and Tvashtar, the craftsman, ruling Virgo as the exaltation of Mercury.
I am also trying to reconcile the 7 or 8 Rig Vedic adityas with each planet and chakra. It makes sense for Dhata to rule Jupiter and the signs of Pisces and Sag and the 2nd procreative/creative chakra as well as the season of "sweetness" wich is Jupiterian and exalts Venus for regeneration. As well as for Aryaman to rule Mars and its signs/chakras. Aryaman rules chivalry and brotherhood, like Mars. And for Mitra, god of friendship, justice, and compassion to rule Venus and the heart chakra, etc.
Thanks,
S.
I've always found it troubling that the correlation between chakras and the zodiac doesn’t fully align. It makes perfect sense that the Saturn-ruled signs represent the root chakra and the luminaries the third eye. However, it’s always felt strange to accept that the energy flow simply descends through the third eye.
Ernst has been pondering about this course for the past 18 years. Especially in light of his shift to the tropical zodiac, this change could potentially bring about significant developments. I'm curious to see how he navigates this transition.
Having watched his introductory video on YouTube, i already consider this course on top of my list of the ones to start next - But there it is already crowded with courses i’ve to do immediately…
From what I understood from watching the introductory video, we are not supposed to use this as the zodiac signs as we always have because they are not the same. Basically, I see what we're trying to do here with having a different angle or perspective in reading a chart. Solar months are one thing and one way to see what's happening while the zodiac signs are another way - a whole other way to see what's happening. They don't need to read the same way or show the same thing. The thing that comes to mind when thinking about this is like in Western astrology there are different perspectives that are used in order to read the chart. I correlate what we're doing here with what happens when studying the chart from different perspectives. We can look at the chart in the geocentric way as we usually do. We can also read the chart from a heliocentric perspective. Helio means Sun, so it's based on the planets from the Sun's perspective, whereas the Geocentric is from the Earth's perspective since Geo deals with Earth. This I have learned from the western astrology studies. Further than that, there are also ways to read a chart from other bodies in the outer galaxy - Galactic astrology.
The same thing is happening now as we embark in learning about the Solar Months based on the Solar Deities or Adityas that are based in the celestial sphere not on the earthly sphere. So, we can use the regular zodiac to see things from the earthly perspective or we can use the Solar Circle to see it from the celestial perspective. Interestingly enough, Ernst mentioned love and when I think about the celestial sphere, I like to correlate it with that unconditional universal love - Divine Love. From my perspective, Divine Love can be seen from the Sun's positioning since that is what we know to be correlated with our Universal Soul or Atma. If we think of our universe in terms of fractals, the Sun is our Self factor that shows the precise fractal in which we are expressing our part of the Whole. The Whole is still reflected within each of its fractals - I just happen to love using this analogy of a Holographic Universe. I hope you appreciate the picture I'm trying to draw!
All of that to say that I don't think there are hiccups within our understanding of how the Chakras move energy within our body. Indra and Varuna are the third eye still as we know them to be from the earthly perspective of Leo and Cancer. The way I understood Ernst's explanation is that we start Aries from Dhata one month before what we are used to. So, if we wanted to see Aries, we would look at Dhata...but again, this is from a different view/perspective. It's probably best to just learn the new perspective before trying to make correlations as I'm trying to do now especially since they're showing different angles of the whole.
Also, as I understand how the energy flows into our body comes from the teachings of Yogananda where we learn that the life force comes in through the medulla, which is in the back of the head in the nook that you find between the head and neck. It flows down through the chakras through the spine and then circulates back around hitting our third eye. My understanding is that in performing Kriya Yoga, we are trying to elevate that energy to go beyond the third eye (back to Source essentially) - and also keep circulating it within us to clear old baggage or karma. And from what Ernst explained in his introductory video; this aligns with my own understanding.
what is important to do now is to just embrace the aditya symbology and see what it has to offer. After that, there is time for the conundrums. So, we will forget about aries, etc. for a while, give them a break, haha. We won't try to relate varuna to gemini. We will pretend its 3000 BC in India and there is no aries or gemini or cancer.
Yes, lists will align dhaata with aries, but that is not correct. They again, as indians love to do, ignore the astronomy. It's clear that the solar months correlate to the equinoxes and soltices and that the first solar month which is before the equinox, the first half of vasanta, is Dhaata.
People who have arranged the adityas to the signs, they use sidereal and they consider dhaata a symbol for sidereal aries, which is basically tropical taurus, which is mitra aditya. all that is enough to drive anyone crazy.
So our approach will be, 12 adityas, aka, sun gods and no animals or humans allowed at this time.
Ernst
Thanks Ernst and others for responding. I'll try to be patient and receptive and will stay tuned. (I just thought of Varuna as more Moon-like than Mercury-like.)