When we speak about general healing, shouldn´t we consider the 5th house more? It´s the house of praying, chants and mantras, and those have the capacity for heal the totality of the chart, don´t they? "From" the 5th house we can heal the rest of the houses, so to speak. That´s me thought about it, and also my experience.
I´d also say that the 5th house is related to energy work and magic, since it´s the house of the innermost expression. When our energy gets lined up and fine an expression, it heals and it changes the vibration of everything. So the 5th house would be the house of making the impossible happen. Miracles, that is.
A shamanic house, one could say.
The world was created out of the OM sound. Galders, enchantments, chants, have a deep healing potential
What do you say about it? What do the old scripts say?
Staffan
That’s an interesting idea.
according to Jaimini, we look for mercury connecting to the moon for healer. Mercury is the healer archetype and so it has to help the mind see the healing potentials and be able to provide it for someone. So the two most important planets for healing are the two mind planets: moon and mercury who have a special familial relationship with each other.
for shamanism, I look at a strong 8th connection. I see the 8th and actually the moksha houses as being the most important for this type of healing since it’s mostly about the inner workings of the psyche so you want the moksha bhavas to be active. Shamanism is a deep type of connection to the astral planes (moksha).
the truth is that mantras work, but not for everyone and not for everything, and the way they work is through making changes to the psychology of person first. The psychology is truly important for all types of healing.
The 5th is always helpful since it’s the creative intelligence. But, I would want the moksha houses to be active for these types of things. The 5th can deal with many things.
Jaimini signals the trine from mercury to moon as a healing combination and that means the 5th does come into play since that’s what a trine is so 5 and 9 would be good to look into. This suggests that miracles could have to do with the 9th and secondarily to the 5th.
@suzanstars Yes, that is the traditional way of looking at it and I don´t argue against it. I just think that the healing based on prayers, chants and mantras has been forgotten in that description.
And yes, the trine relation of the 5th to the 1st and the 9th is telling: It helps us to get things afloat. Healing the body and the person itself (1st) and healing the path, bringing flow back to the person´s life, as indicated by the 9th.
Staffan
@suzanstars I got a like making me coming back to this post, and read my answer to you again, and was unpleasantly surprised by the arrogance with which I answered you. I apologize.
Staffan
@staffan that's sweet! I didn't really give it much thought, but I appreciate your apology. It takes a special kind of person to take ownership and responsibility of one's actions. It shows strength of character and growth, which I always appreciate. 🙂
Yep, that's probably the main reason some tropical vedic astrologers refuse to take on clients with an afflicted 5th lord or 5th house 😆
Just wait until insurance companies start doing this.
@mitryendra80 You mean they want to avoid getting into that energy field? Like concretely having a spelled put on them, whether it´s deliberately or not? Otherwise I´m afraid I don´t get it.
Staffan
@staffan I don't get it either.
But I think it might just be a cynical lack of patience.
But such clients may indeed not be particularly rewarding to work with, at least as a general rule. They may be easily deflated and demoralized. And astrologers do need to know their own strengths and weaknesses with their ability to deal with such clients in advance.
But why turn down a challenge that can be a learning experience? You can at least open with; "Your weak 5th lord/house is going to present a challenge in your life and in your healing until you learn to..." "Here are some ways to strengthen... " "This is why the 5th house is important: ..."
I think astrologers need to regularly strengthen and recharge their energy field, and not settle into a life-long habit of always blaming their client's karma for the unproductive and negative sessions.
@mitryendra80 Yeah, as they say in Cuba, let´s not open that box, there might be cockroaches in it. About astrologers and their ethics and level of conscious that is.
As for the 5th house... Yeah, I could share a couple of interesting indications from my own chart, but again: it´s hardly the right place to do that.
But I agree, the 5th is such a make-it-or-break-it house. If you get aboard it, even if it´s bad from the beginning, it can really uplift the whole chart. Prayer, mantras and chants - what could be more powerful, really?
Staffan
I like this discussion.
if anyone can refer me to good threads or info on the following I’ll be happy:
- ketu in 5th with 5th lord in 8th
- Uranus conjunction ketu in 5th (perfect conjunction)
- uranus and neptune conjunction ketu in 5th
- good outer planets books
I have Ketu in the 5th, it´s lord in the 9th which helps a lot. 8th is a problematic house obviously; there will be interruptions. The 5th is creativity, including children, so possibly interruption related to that very sensitive theme, unfortunately.
Ernst´s disciple Ryan Kurczak has written two books that I´m unfortunately haven´t purchased yet; The art and science of vedic astrology, volume 1 and 2. In one of them - I don´t know which of them - there is a chapter with indication of this type: "the lord of this house in this house, gives this result".
8th is also other people´s money, so being creative in that field; I guess it could be a creative banker.
8th: The occult, secretive stuff; resolving murder cases and similar. Creative in that field. A relationship between the secretive/occult and creativity.
Hidden children? I don´t know whether you are a man or a woman. Secrets related to children.
A film maker or writer with that combo would probably be a Stephen King-kind of creator. I don´t know, maybe he has it?
Those are some suggestions.
Uranus/Ketu in the 5th I´d love to hear about too; I have it myself. I also have Mars and Jupiter there (Jupiter shamed), so I´m not sure what planet creates what in my 5th house. But among other things the 5th is the house of chants, prayer and mantra, so I´d say that you can be really good at that, really connected. Ketu bringing the experience and knowledge from earlier lifetimes of course, Uranus finetuning it according to your own true self, making it a powerful expressions of yourself. Which is the key to a powerful prayer/chant and even mantra of course; no point praying in a floppy way, not being genuine about it.
Neptune adds a longing and discontentment to it; even though it has to do with connection to a higher realm it tends to be through detachment; we feel an emotional lack and then goes after it, oftentimes developing the opposite house. As I understand it´s an indirect indication for connection: We must loose it for to have it.
Where I live I don´t have access to many books and I´ve become a lazy reader, but yesterday I listened to a couple of interviews with a British astrologer, Melanie Reinhart, that I really liked. She´s an authority on Chiron and has written a book about him. I bet that through her you can follow the thread to other good authors; she mentions them in the interviews and seems to know them all.
Staffan
@sweden83 I forgot to say: If you haven´t taken Ernst´s audio course on the outer planets yet, that´s where I recommend you to start.
@sweden83 if your interested in threads on this forum you can use the search function with those keywords and phrases.
Thank you for the pointers. Maybe you can be more specific about the outer planets course? I have ordered the Graha sutras, it may be in there too or is it mainly BPHS.
@sweden83 It´s an audio course, you find it on www.astrology-videos.com . The first to classes are a lot about the rasis and lays a good foundation for astrology in general, not only for understanding the outer planets. I have been studying for several years now, yet I found to be a valuable reminder when I listened to it recently.
Staffan