Dear all,
have you heard of any scientific studies that prove the success of astrology. I haven't heard of any and was curious how come that there aren't any when we have such a high prediction success rate? Especially with Ernst school of astrology, but even with some simpler techniques there are really great results.
Personally I don´t see the point. There is no reason to believe that astrology behaves the same way when being observed from a sceptical and controlling observer, than it does when you approach with a pure heart. But don´t even try to explain that to a person owned by the scientific paradigm - they would not understand it. Even though the very quant mechanics seems to show that particles behaviour changes depending on our intention.
With that said: I´m good at math and I realize that the result I have reached with the Cards of Truth and card reading is far beyond plain chance. For example, I often manage to guess a person´s birth card. It should be once in 52 intents, but I´ve managed do it several times in a raw. Also had a reading about relationships a while ago, where 7 heart cards showed up - out of 7 cards. The chance for that to happen is somewhere between 100.000-200.000. If I would do 10 readings a day, statistically it wouldn´t happen again in 30 years or more.
Mattias
@meyes yes, there is a huge difference in the readings with people who trust astrology and people who are skeptical.
However, a study is made by astrologers who trust that the science is real. And i can’t get how there is no scientific study to prove that, while we observe innumerable times in our practice that the odds for correct prediction are really high. As you say, sometimes 100.000-200.000.
i am even feeling optimistic for conducting such a study, or at least gathering some statistical data. This can be beneficial for our whole community.
thanks for the reply
@katalina1 What would we gain with such a studio? Proof? What do we do with proof?
I think that astrology and card-reading is one of those things that you either get or you don´t. Like music or art. Or healing from nature. People are ready when they are ready.
Not saying that we should not use our critical mind. Observation and analysis is an important part of the coming-to-belief in the ockult, of course. But it doesn´t mean that we should base our trust on rationality, I think.
Mattias
The studies that I've seen on Astrology usually use very simple techniques like simplifed Western sun sign descriptions as a person's overall personality. In those studies, the conclusion was that there was no evidence for Astrology working. However, I've never seen any studies testing Vedic techniques.
I think it's really every individual's call to decide whether they need something or not.
Some people might find it unnecessary, but I also know people who would like to be able to show hard evidence to sceptics and would like for the field to be recognized more broadly. A friend of mine is a hard core predictive Astrologer and quite successful at it. He always starts his readings with concrete and incredibly specific predictions to build trust and it works!
There are many different approaches and many different types of Astrologers. And they each have different conceptions of what the study entails and how it should be viewed. If you couldn't care less about there being any scientific studies on this, why get spend any energy talking about it ???? ?
If Ketu is one of the planets of Astrology and it also rules math, it should follow that there is an aspect of Astrology can be "proven" by hard science. Because if it was purely intuitive there wouldn't be any point to any of the math, astronomy, and analysis we all put into it.
Anyway, maybe due to it being an 8th house profession, it's meant to always be frowned upon to some extent. Though there are other 8th house professions like accounting that are socially acceptable and based on "hard science". Who knows!
@francesca I like your friend´s method and approach. It´s concrete, hands-on and relevant. It has been called on, he´s not running after someone or something asking for approval.
I think you are spot on in you last paragraph; astrology is an 8th house activity.
And trying to convince sceptics is like pouring water into a bucket with a hole in it. They will always find reasons for disbelief. They are not going to be honest. That´s my belief and experience. Let them be, let hem come to you!
Mattias
With that said: I´ve been playing with the thought of carrying out such a study myself. It should, for example, be really easy to pick out at least half of the birth cards from a group of let´s say 10 people, if we were told the options. (10 persons, 10 cards - we should be able to identify at least half of them). But then after a little more thinking: What would we gain by such a study? Would the sceptical come to belief? They would not, they would only invent new reasons not to believe. We would only get more frustrated, now that we have chosen to play by their rules, gaining nothing.
Mattias
