Hi Ernst, in the interpreting avashta course when you talk about the deeptaadi avashtas, you refer to the dignity of a planet as a parameter to judge a bhava. and you say that a bad dignity planet hurts a bhava.
when you say that, do you mean that it is get destroyed by any planet in bad dignity all by itself ? or when you say hurt you mean that there is in some cases direct hurt/destruction of the bhava and in other cases, a potential of hurt in the face of bad Antardasa lord .
reason i ask that is, in the course "concrete chart and varga analysis ..." you mention that a planets like manifestors ( jupiter, mercury) or venus , moon ,mars and ketu, can hurt a bhava( when in bad dignity or avashta), if a bad antardasa lord affect the bhava they are joined with as well , but not all by itself.
and so i am wandering if that is what you mean ?
A DB planet will always hurt or reduce a sign and thus the house significantly. A manifesting planet is always gong to manifest though, when in bad dignity, it can manifest very little as comapred to good dignity. A DB manifestor can no longer manifest.
maifestors also mantain a bhava, so when in bad dignity, they can't do a good job with that and so when the period of a planet comes along that is not a manifestor, some other DB planet or a separating planet that is not in great dignity, the bhava declines and quite often ends.
A DB planet will always hurt or reduce a sign and thus the house significantly. A manifesting planet is always gong to manifest though, when in bad dignity, it can manifest very little as comapred to good dignity. A DB manifestor can no longer manifest.
please can you elaborate how, DB venus or waxing moon will express their hurt to a bhava all by itself. i do understand it can weaken a bhava, but i thought, that all by itself with no bad planet period coming along, it will not destroyor END it but will defiantly serve as a weak link that eventually with a "help" of a separator or some other DB planet will cause the bhava it conjunct to end.
and if i recall correctly( and please excuse me if i am wrong), when you talked about waining moon, mars and ketu when in bad dignity or Debilitation they will cause stress and hurt the bhava they conjunct (as melifics ) but a destruction and END to the bhava will be indicated when a bad period planet will come alone ,but not all by itself. is that right or wrong?
by: @ernst
maifestors also mantain a bhava, so when in bad dignity, they can't do a good job with that and so when the period of a planet comes along that is not a manifestor, some other DB planet or a separating planet that is not in great dignity, the bhava declines and quite often ends.
also regarding a separator just to make sure i understand correctly, a separating planet will always separate (negligibly when exa) and its dignity will determine if the separation will be temporary or permanent with permanent being the result of a bad dignity(E/GE/DB) and the degree of bad dignity indicating the speed of decline leading to its end?
@sharonsegall It will not destroy the bhava itself, but it will reduce what is there so that as soon as a planet can can destroy it comes along, it will get destroyed. and yes, for things to end we need 12th house, rahu, saturn, 12th lord for loss, or 8th/8th lord for break beyond repair.
and yes, correct as to the separator, but whats also importnat to see is what else is happening, is there anything going on that is holding it together if even by a thread, so when you see seperators, look closely so that you don't miss something that is there that is could hold it together.
@ernst Yes, thank you, i find it easy to fall on those small nuances, which i feel make or break those, not so clean cut, predictions, not to mention the ones that do seem to be obvious but hide some weakness that can shake the confidence of the whole prediction. and with out the use of those techniques(and avashtas) it is really hard to understand why something happen when you least expected it to or didnt happen when you were sure it was going to happen.
@sharonsegall its easy to drive oursevles crazy with that. Its important to remember that its expecting to much to expect one technique to show all the events clearly all the time. Read what you can with one technique, read what you can with another and always remember that in a reading situation, your higher self will help you to see whatever it is that need to be seen.
@ernst, thank you for that, and i keep that notion in the back of my head constantly ,it just that it is important for me to know i understand and use the different techniques properly where they can provide the answer or the information i want to draw from a chart.
i do understand that everything is part of the process including any mistakes one makes but i also feel its the right thing, at least for me, to do the best i can to maximize my understanding of the different techniques that a.i use them in the right context and in the most efficient manner and b. that i will develop my preference in using one technique or another out of confidence not out of weakness in my ability to use a technique correctly and to its fullest potential.
@sharonsegall It will not destroy the bhava itself, but it will reduce what is there so that as soon as a planet can can destroy it comes along, it will get destroyed. and yes, for things to end we need 12th house, rahu, saturn, 12th lord for loss, or 8th/8th lord for break beyond repair.
@ernst If the 12th lord is debilitated in a chart, does this mean that losses and expenses accumulated by this person will be reduced in their life or unable to manifest? Or is the opposite true?
@kam hi kam, i think its more like the expanses or losses, woudn't be worthwhile or their results wouldn't be satisfactory compare to what was invested by the person, or a person wouldn't manage his expanses well
if the 12th lord is DB it means the expenses are on bad account. There is nothing wrong wtih spending, its part of life, the question is, was it a productive expense or not? DB 12th lord is spending on low things.
@ernst I see. In my case the debilitated 12th lord is in my 2nd house. I tend to make leap of faith expenses on my studies. I was examining the Argala for my solar return chart in 2016. In that year, I had two planets in the 12th house of Leo blocking Argala to my 2nd house in Libra. I ended up doing a computer bootcamp course that did not live up to the job prospects that were promised. I essentially paid $8000 for a backpack lol
Hi Ernst
Say a db planet is affecting lagna and 4th cusp, can its antardasha give foreign residence under the prati antar of a manifesting planet on 1st and 4th cusp given that Maha dasha lord already showing foreign Residency?
Thank you