How do we tell people with kemadruma what job they are supposed to do because like that girl in the example who came to be an actor, had all indication and succes yogada points but still couldn't be , no matter how commited and hardworking she was.
So let's say someone comes with a similar yoga and a dream what will we tell that person? Of course they are gonna work for something, even that girl dis as a stripper but that was her source of money not being an actress so does it have to do with killing dreams? Like not getting the most desired thing? Because it's not like she didn't do anything, she did something completely else than her goal.
So what do we say to people having similar yoga, that they won't live their dream life? Because they are gonna do something so what is it we tell them about their living?
Is the question understandable? English isn't my first language so hopefully i got my point across .
Like the clearly indicated thing won't happen in their chart but something completely else? Doesn't that make astrology useless in their charts? As in the case of me?
- Like what path should they take?
@silvia tell em to step out of the ketu palace and step into the rahu byss, after looking at the conjunct bhava, rashis and grahas..
@ernst i get that from a psychological point of veiw but like in that girls case who had the cusps and hard working with mrs in first and everything but couldn't get that dream white being capable of it in every way.
Like is this lifetime for them just done? Like just wait out ur death because the difficulty level is always 2× for u?
And what after having both kemadruma and bandhana yoga?
These yogas essentially make a person stuck in some way. So a person has the talent, they work hard, but they don't get the result, why? It's because they are stuck. What does it mean to be stuck? It means we cannot please all parts of ourselves. We have one part that has a need, so this becomes a goal. We have another part that has this idea that they have to do this or can't do or have this and if they start doing anything contrary to this, the closer they get to realizing it the more anxiety they will have and before they get to where they were going, something happens to make it not happen. It's quite normal to do this even before the anxiety is felt so people do not often realize they even have anxiety over this. So if the part that needs needs something that the part that says, do this, don't do this, is not in agreement in, a person gets stuck between these two forces.
@ernst thanks, but can you maybe say it with an example, I'm not grasping this yet.
@jesuschrist I don't, I'm asking cause it's the first time I hear Ernst suggesting that something could possibly be done to improve this yoga, the way it was explained before it looked like it was pretty much set in stone.
English is not my native language so examples are very useful for me to fully get it and be able to transmit it to other people in my own words.
@silvia exactly wasn't it? That's how it was in the course that this life is pretty much done for them and the best they can do is just sucide because they got no other hope.
Now my mum and i have both the kemadruma and bandhana yoga and it seems to be pretty much accurate her life was totally shit wven tho she was a chaste person and hardworking but it never bore fruit.
Same seems to be the case for me and no matter where i try to make something happen i get left behind so I'm just asking is there even a hope for me in life or should i just live waiting out my death
@jesuschrist hi, there’s always hope and that’s why we focus so much on counseling a client/person on the planets and what it’s like to have an awake delighted planet because then they can observe themselves. Are they asleep and going with the unconscious forces or are they able to see how they’re not using the planets’ energy in an awake state? Once they become aware of this then they can choose to DEVELOP the qualities that an awake planet has. So by exerting their will for self-development, they can grow out of that state. But that takes will power on their part and it takes time to form the new habit. That’s why we focus on the Lajjitaadi Avasthas as much as we do because that’s a way to help ourselves heal, by changing our habits, our behaviors, our beliefs. So like Ernst has been trying to explain, if we have a goal that we want to do or be something and there’s another opposing goal (or belief) that it can’t happen or that they can’t make it happen then that’s what causes the stuck in place. The two opposing goals cancel each other out and then nothing can move forward.
I’ll give a silly example that comes to mind. Say you have a basketball player who has the skills to play the game well but lacks confidence or self-esteem and believes he isn’t good enough. Then that player will sometimes show talent but when the negative thoughts about himself come in (and they’re always playing even when he’s not aware of them) then he’ll make mistakes in the game. Imagine a basketball player who has this going on. It’s his turn to shoot the ball into the basket. His internal conflict (although unconscious as it may be) will make him pause. Then we’ll see him hesitate in shooting the ball. He will actually not even shoot the ball or someone may come in and steal the ball from him in that moment as brief as it might be. Then he lost his chance to play the game so forget about winning the game! If he hesitates due to unconscious forces inside him, he’ll never be as good as Jordan even though he has the skills and talent to be even better. Does that make sense? It’s about healing within so that the outer world can match what’s held inside. The outer world is always reflecting back to us what’s inside us in our consciousness. Once a person is able to train through self effort and develop his will, he can move mountains- meaning he can do incredible feats…things that he couldn’t even imagine but because of his self development (Mars) and tenacity/perseverance (Saturn), he’ll do incredible things. That’s when we use our tamasic planets well! We use them to improve our problems in life.
so anyone can CHOOSE to heal these parts within themselves and create a better outcome. The funny thing is that if we aim to create a better outcome, a better future, we may end up stuck because the motivation is way better when it’s about just healing ourselves. It’s an internal motivation as opposed to an external one. That’s why one of the lessons of the Gita is to do your actions and let go of the fruits of the actions meaning do what must be done and forget about the results. The results are of the divine. We must just act. We are the actors in our movie. Let God be the producer and director!