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Septamsa vs Nevamsa in Marriage

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Veronica
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Hello, 

I just learned that Septamsa is more important for women before age 45 than Nevamsa due to being more dependant on a husband in the first part of life. For men is the opposite- 

therefore as per the class example- if woman nevamsa not too good but septamsa is- there’s still good chances of good marriage and later on they may present issues in their married life when nevamsa catches up

So, what happens in the second part of life in the opposite case-  septamsa bad and nevamsa good ? Does it make a difference in the quality or marriage opportunities? 

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Ernst should answer this, but what I´ve learned from this is that Navamsa describes our ashram -in most cases is a marriage - while the Saptamsa represents the concrete partner. When you weigh the different vargas together, the D9 represents yourself - anchoring your rasi chart to your life - so much more than the D7, so that when you sum the vargas up (for to see the fulfillment and happiness in life), the D1, D9, D12  (fathers/ancestors) and some other vargas get such a weight that it becomes relatively unimportant who you are actually married to; whether your spouse is healthy or sick, handsome or ugly etc. Basically: if you have a good relationship with yourself and your parents, plus a couple of other factors (sibling, economy, health etc) you can be happy in almost any relation.

So even if the relation between the Navamsa and the Saptamsa would change as you say, the D9 will still carry a lot more weight than the D7 itself. It gets many more point on a ranking.

Now, that´s my understanding from Ernst´s teaching, and a little from my own experience, I´m turning 52... But let´s hear what the man himself has to say...

(Looking at my own Navamsa that is not my best varga, I´ve had a couple of tough marriages. But in my Saptamsa Venus is strong, so I understand why I chose these women. They are high quality in some way, even if none of them, nor myself, have been wonderful at being in a relationship.)

Mattias

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@meyes regarding men he explains that as you get older D7 becomes more important than in the younger years-maybe because as men grow they have a need for sharing w a partner?  but I don’t get that very clear- 

that’s why I would like to know from Ernst if those factors (D9 being better than D7 allow for better marriage relationship for women  or maybe just w self?

thank you 

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Saptamsa is also children and its the co creative relationship, so thats more importnat to women in early age. once they cant have children, its not as important. Men can always have children so its importance and the navamsa importance does not change. 

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Is Saptamsa only about procreation and/or co-creation with spouse? 

What about creation in general (say a woman doesn't want children but does create other things), is the potential for that judged from Navamsa? (besides Rasi chart) 

 

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@leela I believe it’s also the product of your creations, as your books, your art etc... in this particular class (concrete chart analysis w jaimini) mentions the actions of Charles Manson as a result of “The beetles” creations.

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@veronica

okay..

Then by definition age should be irrelevant for both men and women for Saptamsa, right, unless it is solely for the one aspect of all possible creation that is procreation?

(I'm not sure of the Manson-Beatles reference though, as in I don't know what that is about)

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@leela yes it’s what you create with a partner at any age
- the Manson Beatles is just used as an example of the end result of their creation- which in their case was mostly positive and their creation was embraced by the public but Manson used it as an excuse as an inspiration for murder...that is also considered part of the end result of their creation.

And yes age may be irrelevant for creative process but for marriage and procreation becomes important for women.
My question is more towards what happens w woman in the context of marriage -after age 45 when nevamsa is good and septamsa not so much?  Nevamsa shows your path mostly- but are we talking about an individual path or w partnership?

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Ernst Wilhelm
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I do not make age differences outside of co creating children. 

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@ernst

okay! But I guess my question is, are individual creations also part of Saptamsa? The kind with a very minimal collaborative side to it, i.e. it's not as "involved" as co-creating with spouse, though other people may be involved. Or is that some other Varga...

 

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