Deeptadi Avastha of Jupiter/Venus and Finding a Good Counselor
Here's are some questions I asked myself last year while listening to the "Interpreting Avashtas" beginner's course.
In the section about Deeptadi Avasthas you mentioned that if someone has Jupiter in a good Deeptadi Avastha in a Varga, they will get wisdom from someone like a guru, astrologer, teacher, counselor related to that Varga. You said that if someone has Jupiter in a bad Deeptadi Avashta in a Varga, they shouldn't make decisions based on the counsel they get related to that Varga. How would you determine how and whether a person will find a good counselor or should seek counsel from someone related to the issues of that varga?
Here are my questions:
1) In "Graha Sutras" you write that both Jupiter and Venus are counselors. Jupiter is full of spiritual wisdom. Venus is full of worldly wisdom. Which type of counsel does an astrologer provide (Jupiterian or Venusian)?
2) Say a person had an issue regarding their siblings. In the d3, their Jupiter is dukhita, but Venus is deepta. Who should they seek counsel from?
3) Say a person had an issue regarding their siblings and in their d3, their Jupiter is deepta and their Venus dukhita. Who should they seek counsel from?
4) Do Venus and Jupiter represent different genders of counselors (men vs. women)?
5) Say a person had an issue regarding their sibilings and in their d3 both Jupiter AND Venus were dukhita. Should they not seek counsel from anyone? In that case, if they came to you as an astrologer and sought out counsel concerning a situation with their siblings and you knew they had bad karma for getting advice on issues regarding their siblings, wouldn't it be unethical to provide any counsel to them? Wouldn't the right (ethical) thing to do in this scenario to tell them that and not charge a lot of money for a service that will most likely not get them the right counsel or fulfillment?
6) If a person has both Venus and Jupiter in a bad Deeptadi Avastha in a chart, WHY do they have that bad karma? Does it mean that they have mistreated their teachers/counselors in the past and are therefore not getting good advice/wisdom this lifetime? Does this essentially point to someone who, within the context of the varga where both Jupiter and Venus are in a bad Deeptadi Avastha, will have to figure things out on their own?
I believe an astrologer can be both Jupiter and Venus, it depends on the type of counseling they provide and I wouldn’t necessarily associate gender to either of them (while Venus represents femininity, Mars represents masculinity so not sure a Venus/Jupiter would work as women/men).
When it comes to your other questions, I don’t necessarily have the answers but if someone has a bad dignity in a specific Varga, I would also look at the D9 and D24 (I personally never draw definitive conclusions based on one factor only). If on the other hand the astrologer has good dignity, I don’t see any ethical problems, he can provide good counseling but it doesn’t mean the client will listen.
I don’t think anyone can answer why specifically we have such and such karma, it’s a complex issue, an immense chain of events over multiple lifetimes from what I understand. But I may be wrong.
Ryan Kurzack was interviewed by Vic DiCara a couple years ago and touched on that topic. You can search it on YouTube, it’s very interesting on many levels.
Venus is a nurse who comforts the pain and helps a person relax and regenerate. Venus wants to look at the bigger picture because it has worldly wisdom.
Jupiter is enlightening with the wisdom.
Having this combo is great for an astrologer.
Our life is like a novel and astrology is extremely vast. Specialization is good but being Jack of all trades is a big skill as well and very helpful. Now if a doctor is learning astrology, then specialization in medical astrology will be really helpful.
Being jack of all trades helps to know best things in lot of areas while specialization narrows down the focus.
So it depends on individual requirements and taste. Nothing is good or bad as such.
I think your question is really interesting and relevant to this course. I am not a professional astrologer and astrology is one of my interests, but I do have decent answers for your questions from experience. I would like to know Ernst's views too! but as he says in one of his videos, he's the Virgo type - (to the point) and not Gemini type 😀
-Q. "Jupiter in a bad Deeptadi Avashta in a Varga, they shouldn't make decisions based on the counsel they get related to that Varga." -
-Ans. In my experience, everyone gets counsel all the time, but the question is what do they listen to ? Mona mentioned the same point in her reply. For, Ju debilitated in a varga, they just don't listen to the good counsel they get in that varga. I have seen that sentence work in life. (Ernst is teaching how we can attempt to change those habits in this course)
- Q - 2,3,5
-Ans. There are different ways to approach this, especially if you are not sure you can answer and you are put in a spot. The answer that is coming to me now is to fall to a more general advice. Yogananda in his Bhagwadgita translation says that actions should be motivated by a combination of "logic and true feeling". If we observe, even in our lives the things that we are fulfilled with have this nature.
If someone is asking for advice and you aren't comfortable giving advice, you could ask them to contemplate on their actions in the area and if their actions are based on both logic and true feeling of what they want to experience.
It's not unethical as long as you are telling the truth and are confident. For all you know, you may have the karma to tell that to the person, and the person will realize much later in life but they needed to listen to that. Of-course you shouldn't charge a lot of money for that.
- Q - 6
This answer is also given in the same book. Karmas (good or bad) are created based on desire for fruits of an action. They include past lives and present life. They set the stage for actions you will take in this life. The actions are determined by the pre-natal and post-natal habits. (which we are trying to heal)
I don't think a bad deeptadi avastha Ju/Ve can right-away indicate someone who can't get good advice this life. It probably needs a lot more. I have observed the issue that people are just not open to listen when they have debilitated Ju/Ve. Other dignities below N will just take more time to understand and the DB avastha a lot more time.