Parivartana and Tropical Zodiac
I wanted to share an experience with you which I had shared with Ernst before hoping it will help on better understanding of the Tropical zodiac.
This is also a reply to the first point of @ernst explanation on tropical and sidereal Zodiacs in the following post:
As Ernst mentions people have a lot of complexity when it comes to understand who they are which makes it more complicated to analyze Tropical and Sidereal Zodiacs. But even though there are different layers of interpreting a prashna chart, prashnas are generally much more simple.
The first time I went through Ernst course on parivarthana and final dispositors I had not yet switched
to the tropical Zodiac. After I started using the Tropical Zodiac I took the course once again and decided to
search all my charts for each parivarthana described, to see the parivartana effect on the people whom
I know well. As a result, my Prashna folder which, included about 700 Prashnas, was also searched. (I have more than 1000 Prashnas on My laptop which were not included on this search)
I'm used to typing the prashna question in the name section of the chart and saving it with the same
file name so I can find it later. All the Prashnas having a certain parivartana came up in the
search for that specific parivarthana, and amazingly the parivartana ,as Ernst described it, was directly
the answer to that question or one of the important aspects of the answer to the question. I didn't even
needed to open the prashna charts! These were questions that I had struggled to answer many of them.
Having followed several teachers and schools of Jyotish and becoming, Jyotish has not been working or not even close to what I'm experiencing now, Thanks to Ernst's Teachings and using the tropical Zodiac.
If we consider Aynamsha to approximately be 24 degrees (just for easier calculations), then there is
(24/30)=80% chance for a planet to change Rashi when we switch between tropical and sidereal zodiacs which means there is only 20% chance for the planet to remain in the same Rashi.
For each prashna to have the same Parivartana yoga we need the ascendant and the two planets remain in the same rashi when we switch to the tropical zodiac. this is a (20% x 20% x 20%) chance which is under 1 percent.
Could you share perhaps one or two good examples?
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Great research Ramin!
Since you shared an anecdote in the other thread (about nadi), let me also mention my own anecdote, relevant to this topic. I've had a prashna with a tropical astrologer (also an Ernst recommended one), and everything they "answered" was proven to be colossally wrong. Not even 2% came true.
I had even made a forum post wondering about what makes Prashna fail.
But one issue I see with astrology is that the line between 'research' and 'anecdote' is rather blurry or almost non-existent.
As per your request I dug out some examples:
Only 2 prashnas out of 759 had Parivartana between 6th and 4th house.
About this parivartana, In his Parivartana course, @ernst mentions: "It's a struggle to find happiness, [It's a struggle to] get the basics for happiness".
1. How will a client feel in his new house?
I'm sure you can see how relevant the parivartana is. By watching how his life unfolded in the new apartment, I don't think any sentence would do justice to what happened except Ernst's above explanation. In many areas he couldn't find happiness and struggled. (relationship, Job, Friendship, income, ....).
He moved into the apartment after renovating it and wasn't happy with the apartment itself because he was looking for perfection in every physical detail. (which is impossible to achieve)
The client also fell into great material debt (6th) to purchase the apartment (4th) which he didn't expect. He took loan from his friends expecting to pay them back within a month using some family money which never came. So he was in debt for some time and when the friends asked him to give their money back ( after some years) he considered it as an act of enmity (6th)!
As you know, analyzing the prashna itself will probably give as much more details but the point is that the parivatana is the answer or the main theme of the answer.
2. A psychotherapist asks how deep can I work with my client X:
Again as @ernst mentions in the same course the forth house is were we stand on on this earth. For this question, were the psychotherapist stands with Mr. X.
As it turned out there was no ground to get deep with Mr. X.There were deep emotional problems with Mr. X observable with in his siblings and mother. It seemed he was stuck in a 3 year old emotional state which there was no possibility to help him grow out of it. The psychotherapist helped him by making him comfortable where he stood, and manage some violent emotional behaviors, but no chance to get just a little bit deeper with him.
Also 4th house is our feelings. When a psychologist talks about getting deep it usually means the 8th house were the roots of our traumas could be find. the parivarthana shows that the psychotherapist hand will be full with handling emotions on the surface.
It also shows that the therapist struggles to find satisfaction and happiness in working with Mr. X.
Or the therapy will be a struggle and it will take time to get any satisfactory results specially when trying to work on deeper traumas.
Again the prashna chart could probably give us more details however the exchange is relevant and we can actually answer the question just by looking at the exchange.
I hope these will help.