I'm just listening to the video on Aditya modalities and had a thought about this.
With Mars starving Saturn and Saturn in Dhata, this could show a tendency to support those who are not actually benefitted by that support.
So you weren't a burden in your relationships, but was the other person? Did you do too much for them? Help them so much that they never really learned how to help themselves?
Especially with your Ketu in Aryama, and lord Venus exalted, shows you know how to be a companion, but Ketu still isn't ever perfect, so then Saturn in Dhata might show a need to learn when to not be a companion in order to truly be a better companion.
@josh Yes I watch it also but just have trough right now, things sure will get clearer. I just dislike when things are unclear I want the law like my viveshkan ascendant maybe 😀 Yes I had one of those where It was very unhealthy and she was a heavy burden allthough it was kinda okay for me at the time but yes that would be fitting it was very unhealthy and very dangerous even for her life sometimes too, heavy borderline personality, should have walked away from that a lot sooner, I am glad she does a lot better now. Long time ago. But also then its not that I always wanted to have to fix her or carry responsibility for her I just wanted to have a good time and she was freaking out and that was a big burden because it was getting to serious self harm and things like that. She has saturn in dhaataa, too, by the way. That was very unhealthy but I was 18 and developed a lot since then naturally
@josh i have saturn in dhaata and it seems true that I've been supporting people who can't be helped and its been of no use, and probably i have showed myself weaker than i am to get support, as a compulsive behaviour. But it's a catch 22 obviosuly how can you get stronger if you're wasting energy on things that won't give so you're always in a deficit i guess. i think saturn in dhaata is mainy just using the saturn in a wrong way; instead of being lazy about it they are working it very hard, which means that we should focus on what we want and not what is not us which is others and bearing the burden of others and expecting others to do it too. So I can totally see how getting this fixed can help.
its funny saturn in pisces in tropical is neutral right, but in adityas its in enemy sign of mars and gets debilitated. So we can wonder if its neutral in tropical, which way will it go, and then we look at adityas and then we can say "ok it will go this 'bad' way". so getting it 'fixed' thorugh the adityas method does and can help in imo, though I would like to know deeper information about it right now I feel not enough information and very easy to confuse with tropical saturn in pisces where the idea to let go of the small little things to fous on the bigger picture.
So maybe letting go by stopping helping people (the smaller picture) and worrying about the bigger things that matter for us as individuals which the sun in the aditya sign will show, as anyway living out the saturn in dhaata seems to not have worked for me ie there has been no significant change in people whose burden i decided to bear. There has been more change in people who i assisted, for a lack of a better word, who were a part of my flow of life when i was living as myself the most doing things that energized me
Hey, my friend, it appears that we have somewhat similar charts. I also have the switch from Saturn in Pisces (Parjanya) to Saturn in Aries (Dhata), and Mars/Jupiter go from Sagittarius(Amzu) to Capricorn (Bagha) under Ernst's new Aditya system (No Sun with Jupiter and Mars).
I also noticed that your Mercury is now DB as well in the 1st 1/2 of Pisces (Parjanya). Do you feel like you are disorganized and unable to properly utilize detached observation and discernment in your life? It's interesting because your Mercury also does not have Dig bala as well which makes the Mercury especially troublesome in the Aditya system. However, in your case, it would appear the your Venus would take over to save your Mercury if you believe that resonates with you?
I also personally don't resonate with the Saturn in Dhata, and the same goes for my two best friends, who would also have Saturn in Dhata since we're of similar age. My Saturn would go from being thirsted by Mars (through aspect) to being fully starved in sign and by strong aspect. I do push myself and have definitely found myself trying to prove myself by being forceful with others, but I also go through periods of letting go/isolation to heal (I am in that period now as I learn Astrology). I feel like I go through the waxing/waning energy of a thirsted Saturn over the continuous heavy starvation of a Saturn DB in Aries. The same can be said for my two best friends.
Finally, I don't resonate at all with the Jupiter/Mars in Bagha over their placement in Sagittarius in my Tropical chart. I am seen as the Guru/Spiritual advisor for my friends and family, and am guiding them through their own internal blocks (it's why I started learning Astrology). I am currently studying to get my Master's in Clinical Mental Health to become a Therapist/Counselor for addiction/trauma (that will provide a spiritual perspective & possibly utilize Astrology in my practice). So having my Mars being so much stronger than my DB Jupiter doesn't resonate at all. I do not enjoy technical/mechanical work, and math has always been my least favorite subject. Even when I studied Philosophy at University, I disliked my Logic courses and only saw them as a stepping stone to understanding the bigger picture.
I also used to be a singer/songwriter/musician, and in the new Aditya system, my moon no longer aspects my Atmakaraka Venus, conjunct Sun in the Rasi, like it did with Tropical.
That's just my two cents on my own life from my own limited perspective, since I can't speak as deeply about your life since I don't know you well. I have also been looking at the Aditya charts for popular people I know well, through following their lives and reading their biographies (Carl Jung, David Goggins & Leonardo Davinci), and their Tropical chart makes more sense to me.
I'm curious about your Jupiter. I've been wondering whether it is really helpful to think of planets as exalted or debilitated when looking at a specific chart, because planets operate on so many levels.
So Jupiter has low ucca bala in Bhaga, low innate potential. But what is its digbala and chesta bala? If these are higher, especially chesta bala, that could show Jupiter has a strong ability to improve itself when you do work on it. That would be actively using your Jupiter to improve yourself and others rather than letting intuition or insights just flow through you, which isn't very likely to have with low uccabala Jupiter.
Mars could just be considered effort in general, so in Bhaga you could look at it as working to improve yourself and the lives of others. Mars in Bhaga really puts in the effort and needs to make a concerted effort in order to grow and change. It is the place where he puts in the most effort and is able to get the most from that effort. So with this placement I think you would be focused on doing concrete/practical things that actually improve your life, rather meditating or chanting and letting changes happen of their own, as Jupiter might do when not in Bhaga.
@josh, I brought up the EX/DB because the dignity of a planet has much to say on how prominent it is in a person's life. In Tropical, my Jupiter is my Final Dispositer in Sagittarius with Mars (the only planet in OH), so the entire chart runs through it, which I have observed to be the case in my life (especially in regards to my work, study & interaction with Friends/Family). My Mars and Jupiter are also forming Solar and Lunar Yogas, and if you are familiar with those, the planet with the highest dignity forming those yogas (in my case, Jupiter) will be the most prominent in the person's life.
My Jupiter has decent Dig Bala in the 3rd but low Chesta Bala as it's in the 2nd house from the Sun. I constantly have "Eureka" moments, flashes of inspiration, and intuitive downloads flow through me, so that doesn't resonate at all. Even when I was a musician, I never learned the technical aspects to create my art (I was never formally trained or read music), but created based on my natural instincts. I always found the logical and technical aspects of music dry and boring.
I resonate with what you are saying about my Mars. I definitely put forth effort into improving myself and have learned not to apply that same pressure to those around me (But I still fail from time to time, haha). But I actually do meditate every day, journal every day, and chant mantras for my afflicted Sun/Venus and do Yoga (Sun Salutations) for my afflicted Sun every day since I have Venus conjunct Sun in my 2nd house, Scorpio. I am also learning Astrology as a spiritual tool for my work in counseling and advising others. I still definitely take practical changes and efforts to concretely improve my life, but it always has to have a great purpose for me. That's why I love astrology, it provides a clearer look at the bigger picture across multiple incarnations (I also perform past life regressions in my work with people).
@josh Yes sir, here are my charts to make it easier for you my friend.
Did you adjust your time manually to get it to do North Indian? My Kala won't go to North Indian when it is set to Adityas, and obviously that chart isn't literally displaying Adityas.
@josh No, I click "Command J" on my Mac to go to the Aditya calculation (what you see there), but it doesn't change it to the South Indian chart. I also don't have the "Aditya chart" option in the Ayanamsa. I'm not sure why. However, you can easily infer which Aditya is which in my chart based on the sign placement.
@josh ernst explained in the first video how to dowload the new version i think it was just astrology-videos.net/kala2023.zip
@josh I misklicked on the reply, som my reply to your earlier comment is on the base on this page.
@thealchemist Thanks for sharing, interesting. Well Ernst unfortunately missed Mercury in Parjanya debilitation but I also dont see that at all. I was always complimented on my refined speech (I am german) on my organisation skills also, like to be a good taskmaster. And I feel that very fitting for venus conjunct mercury in aquarius, since im a little oddball, too and the other descriptions seem fitting there, but debilitaded mercury not at all. Like I learned english a bit through school and through watching series mostly and I would say its nice, yet my sister has mercury in pisces and hat a lot of speach impairments as a child and still her language use in university seems a bit clumsy. A colleague of mine wo would have mercury exalted in vivashvaan instaed of neutral dignity in tropical cant decline simple words in german, so also not fitting this way. Also as I rembered from earlier courses deblitaded mercury is some one always condacting to the rules even if it totally bananas and boy, that is not me 😀 I dont wanna say the adityas are not working ernst obviously spend a lot mor time contemplating and comparing charts but yeah seems difficult. I like to use logic a lot by the way and my jupiter in sag friends are apperent for being just happy within themselves where I had to work on myself achieve success and mostly learn the wisdom of the laws on how to behave and how the world is working to find peace. now it is unshatterable though. Yeah and my friends with also saturn in dhaataa exept for my girlfriend back then who also was not a burden all the time like normally she was very self suffcient she just had a deep trauma causing her to have really episodes making life hell for all around her.. my other friends dont seem to be fitting either more like saturn in pisces have blocks in feeling or abusing drugs or these kinds
Hello everyone! My name is Svjetlana. Maybe I shouldn't comment on your query but I have no self-control when someone needs help! A person with a strong concentration of planets in Dhata aditya said that. I noticed that my answers are very intuitive and I rarely know how to explain to people what I see. I learned about the degrees from astrologer Nikola Stojanović briefly. Looking at your chart, your ascendant is at the Gemini degree which says that the path you have chosen has to do with people, communications and masses of people (ruler of the ASC at 4 degrees which is Cancer) in the 7th house. This tells me where your energy is. Saturn as the ruler of the sixth house in the eighth house in the sign of Dhata tells me that you have the ability to make problems and troubles disappear or transform, possibly, through diplomacy (19th degree = Libra-politics, diplomacy) in Dhata aditya which helps as and when needed. The 19th degree of Libra can speak of indecision and the need for someone else to take action and perhaps it has to do with the way a specific job is done. There are many things to see and perhaps it can say. I don't know if this makes sense to any of you? If not, ignore this message.
@svjetlana Hmm, I watched Nikolas Videos with Lada and like the man but I did not get much into his degree astrology. Gerhard Feiner is a german astrologer using Ernst`s Astrology he is making great predictions on mundane events, just in german though. Its a pitty Nikola died I would have liked to hear more from him. For the reading I couldnt tell seems plausible in that area allthough my job is not like a profession to me I much rather would like to garden my vegetable fields on my hectar of land surrounded by a hedge like discribed in the anastasia books and maybe do some readings but first I would need to become a millionair to do that in Germany 😀 But yeah I can see that on some level. Thanks!
Kala had it -1 hour for DST, so that is why it looked like Dhata ascendant to me.
Probably because I used month/day, so that it what it thought first, then I changed it but it already had the location data. 🙂
@josh and it is Varuna not Vishnu, whats going on here 😀 anyway thank for contemplating
We alyways have to look at the entire chart and realize all those parts pull together. You have a fantastic chart with all the super conjunctions and also moon opposite jupiter, so yes, your saturn is your worst planet, but the weight of your chart is too great to get pulled down by it.