Many questions at once, I know, I´m sorry... I´m in an intense studies and aha-period right now.
So Saturn as a separating factor... Saturn matures at 36 and time heals any wound it says. So to what degree should we consider Saturn´s separation after let´s say 40 or 45? "Obstacle gone" or "obstacle easier to overcome". Depends on the effort you put into it perhaps...
Mattias
From my perspective, I would say it could be either/or depending on the specific obstacle or how we choose to label it. Although, I would say more of a Queen-like vibe and taking responsibility, managing more maturely perhaps and we have less of the ego about things if personally developed. However, we may confront different obstacles than we may have in our earlier years, in which perhaps those earlier year obstacles do become irrelevant and "gone" We are always peeling the layers of the onion, after all. 😉
Maybe I'll have a different answer when I get to 52...since I'm in my mid-40s now. 🙂
Do I assume correctly that the maturation of Saturn positively affects not only the Saturn card, but also all the planets affected (starved) by Saturn, as well as the card that Saturn is in? So all of it?
(The reason I am wondering: I am dating - or trying to date... - a man with a Saturn starved Venus and it is going nowhere. He creates distance, as soon as there is closeness, perhaps because the Saturn starvation causes him to feel unworthy of what he wants (That's how Ernst explains it in the videos). However, he is now 36 years old, so I have not yet given up hope that this could ease up the starvation in time for us to find our way..
Interestingly, he is a 5 of diamonds, and they have, as Rahu card, the 4 of Hearts: feeling secure in connections. So yeah, if needs 7 more years, until he is 42, before he feels secure, I do not see how it can work out.. Five of diamonds also have no Hearts cards, in their 7 main cards - so not very oriented towards connection - and they have Queen of spades as Sun card: one of the most independent cards. Not looking good I guess!)
@carolinedepuydt I just wrote about my 8C son in the other post you commented on; it turns out that I have a 5D son too... 😀 Funny card, one of the easiest to spot among people; I mean, more than once have I been capable of guessing that a person was a 5D.
5D is the most on/off card, I believe. With which I mean: it can go either way. If they seem the value in the thing they have in front of it, be it education, a job, a relationship or whatever, then they are really capable and realiable. If not... not so much. And there isn´t much you can do about it; I see fives as a teeter, it´s up or it´s down, but seldom anything in the middle.
I wrote yesterday about the astonishing capacity that 5C has to become what it didn´t use to be, but that actually goes for 5D too. For example many 5D do badly in school, simply because they aren´t motivated. But if or when they find their thing, they might shine in the exact area in which they recently seemed utterly hopeless. It´s a five thing, I´d say.
It´s not fair to say that they aren´t heartsy though; I mean they really love themselves a lot! 😆 That´s actually not as bad as it sounds from a relationship perspective. It doesn´t make them egotistical, rather it means that they aren´t codependent, and only a person who truly loves him/herself is capable of actually loving another people, of course. If you do gain the love of a 5D you have found yourself a reliable partner.
For to be in a relationship with a 5D you have to be quite emotionally independent yourself, I´d say. Also their Suncard is QS, so they are extremely self sufficiant. If that´s not enough: 2S on the EC tells us that they walk the path of simplicity. Buying them with expensive stuff isn´t an option neither...
Are you willing to share the man´s birth dates? In case you have it, that is.
Staffan
One detail that you have going for you is that the Venus card of 5D is KC. 8C is one of the cards that tick off that box.
Let me also say that being valuable is key for accessing a 5D´s life. Not so much economic value as beauty, virtue, having aligned lives that would make it easier for him in his endeavours, etc. 5D tends to look at everything through that lense: "Does this represent a value for me?" Not very heartsy in that sense, true.
Staffan
@carolinedepuydt my husband is a 5D. It’s not the easiest card to be married to. From what I’ve learned, people don’t change the year Rahu matures. Rahu just becomes more demanding to work on. My husband’s Rahu lord is exalted and in the 1st and owns his 4th so I’m excited to see what happens with that 4❤️.
As you know, I have a lot going on in my Saturn 4♣️ card (Mercury LL, Saturn, Venus, Rahu, Uranus, Neptune, 8, 9, 10th cusps), and I am 35. This year has made me fully understand the life I had built from past life actions. My Saturn is in the 8th of Capricorn and I have been so sad yet also accepting that I have not built my idea of family. My dad will die any day now and I recently traveled a long distance to visit him only to face a relationship that has only a small amount of any real intimacy. It’s not surprising that I never receive support from family and in the past I blamed them because I was just a child. Now I realize that I was shaped up to be exactly what I “deserve”, for lack of a better word. Now that I understand this, I don’t feel like I am owed anything.. I just want to work on creating the family that I want. So, to answer your question, the burden became easier to bare and I also expect things to get better sometime, whether that occurs in this life or the next doesn’t matter to me.
@karinia Sorry to hear about your dad.
All our bad relationships are blessings in disguise. Not wanting to school you or anyone else, also you most probably know this already. But they are what propels us into development. We should always be grateful towards though who gave us stones in stead of bread. Not saying that it´s easy or that I´m always capable of doing that myself.
4C is my overlying card and Pluto card. How do you think that it works out in your spread? You are supposed to be beyond dogma, beyond being right or wrong; let go of the mind, "just do it". Trust your gut feeling. With 4C on the Saturn card, I mean. Rahu is a separating factor of course, and Ra/Sa is always a tough combination; it´s also the 8th house, but Saturn doesn´t become separating in his own sign. Care to share your thoughts and experience?
Staffan
@staffan I have a few things going on that are similar.. 4 squared leads back to 7 and I have a Saturn Mercury conj there in Cap. Getting the world to work for me has been incredibly difficult. It seems scary to even begin because I received so little to validate my inspirations. In the 8th, some real scary things have happened that left me feeling incredibly lucky and cursed at the same time. My Mercury is K❤️ so with it sitting with Saturn in Saturn’s card 4♣️ it is evolving my view of love. And this is largely my life path as Mercury is my lagna lord. Saturn and Mercury are badly starved by my Moon in the 5th which bring 9♠️ into Venus’s 6❤️ card. So there is a lot of suffering for a twisted view of love. I also have Venus and Rahu conj so I’m learning a lot about Venus and love. It makes my life get so much better over time as a Gemini lagna.