For to gain a deeper understanding about each BC it would be interesting to share other card readers´thoughts about their own spreads. Especially while waiting for Ernst to finish the course about each birth card, it´s spread and the yearly spreads, if he finds the time for it one day.
I´m ready to go first, my card is 5 of Clubs, but is there anyone interested?
Mattias
@mattias I am a 6 of clubs with 5 of Clubs on the Ecliptic. I also have a prominent King of Spades and 6 of Spades. I love being busy learning things and expanding with wisdom and knowledge. My work is always very inspiring to me. My second favorite hobby is working on myself and cutting away limitations, healing trauma, shadow work (King of Spades), I also have gone through several death/rebirth healing transformations in my life. It all makes sense 🙂 My 8 of diamonds Mercury card with a delighted Saturn has brought me the luck and sheer determination to overcome many obstacles!
Would love to hear more about your spread and any one else who wants to share 🙂
My father is a 6 of Clubs like you Rhiannon. He has survived several life-threatening accidents, the last one when he fell from a roof some 10 years ago. That´s one way I see the King of Spades manifesting in a 6 of Clubs person´s life; I also remember a 6 of Clubs woman whose spread I read having become a widow at an early age; like "death striking close to you but not actually touching you"; something like that.
Thanks for sharing. Now, since you put the ball into play I dare to take my turn...
Mattias
@rhiannon Funny, this. My mum is a 6 of Clubs, so she also has this King of Spades on the Jupiter card. However, it is her husband, my father, who had some narrow escapes. (Jupiter : husband)
So, 5 of Clubs. I hope you don´t take this too literally, as if I really thought it, but I think Jesus Christ may have been a 5 of Clubs. (That could be another challenge: "Why do you think Jesus was your card?")
... They call him "the Prince of Peace", yet he went like a madman into the temple to throw the salesmen out...
I think few cards in the spread cause more confusion among others than a 5 of Clubs. The Mercury card is 7 of Diamonds; material things not quite working out; it´s a 9 of Heart seen from another angle... Very heartsy. And then the charming Jack of Hearts on the Venus card; there is a childish charm around the 5 of Clubs. That make people relax and feeling safe... Just to find that there is a King (King of Hearts on the Ecliptica and King of Diamonds on the Jack position) in front of them. A person who does stand up for it´s belief in a very potent way.
It´s interesting how the 7 of Diamonds and King of Diamonds work together, just as in the 7 of Diamonds birth spread. 7 of Diamonds: "Wordly things don´t work out." K of Diamonds on the Saturn or Uranus position: "... and you don´t need them...!"
Also King of Diamonds on the Uranus is very much about having a value system of your own. That causes many conflicts. Often, as a 5 of Clubs, you don´t mirror people as they are used to and expect to be mirrored. That may make people feel insecure when a 5 of Clubs is around. It´s a King, it´s a very tangible, present energy. I think most 5 of Clubs don´t fit in at all in their family; their very parents feel questioned by their little King kid, not confirming the family values.
Of course that (King of Diamonds showing a personal value system) confirms what the 5 of Clubs birth card is about from the beginning: To find their own truth. Leaves seeking the Sun.
The Sun card: The most stressful of them all possibly; 3 of Diamonds. Perfectionism. Also a psychic card. A knack for choosing good stuff by saying no to many things; also good things a 5 of Clubs say not to, if they don´t fit in.
Moon card: Ace of Spades. Rebirth, a knack for overcoming problems pressing the reset button.
Mars card: 7 of Hearts: Problematic relationships that in some miraculous way are being saved in the last minute.
Jupiter card: 5 of Spades saves the 5 of clubs butt in many occasions. Narrow escape from problems; also a special knack for adaptation; there is shape-shifting quality around 5 of Clubs, as indicated by the Moon card and the Jupiter card.
Neptune card: 6 of Hearts, family is everything for a 5 of clubs. Unfortunately the birth family don´t understand you, since you don´t share their values. I spoke with a 5 of Clubs girl just a couple of hours ago who confirmed exactly that experience.
Pluto card: 4 of Clubs, also the overlying card. Often a 5 of Clubs is so right that they stop being it... A stubborn mind makes him win every discussion - and therefore loosing it...! The use of too potent guns in a discussion. 5 of Clubs must learn to arrive at truth (4 of Clubs) letting go of right and wrong... A kind of Daoist experience, "The more you know the less you understand..."
4 of Club is also an indication for a longterm job that just stays there, like a concrete block that destiny has thrown into your life... So Ernst says, and at least in my case he´s absolutely right. I´ve been a crossword editor for over 20 years now; I have tried to change my carreer but I´m still a crossword editor. Isn´t that fun by the way; it´s a very square job!
Didn´t mean to tell you EVERYTHING; Saturn, Rahu and Ketu will have to wait to another time.
Mattias
@meyes Interesting! My brother is a 5 of Clubs but I haven't had the time yet to study his spread in detail. So just some preliminary observations. I resonate with some of the things you and others have said, not with others. For instance, my brother totally is not "all about family". Couldn't care less really. Extremely egocentric, but then he does have Rahu in the Sun card, which Ernst describes as the "center of the universe" syndome.. (If I remember correctly.)(His ascendant is also there so that probably highlights this trait even more).
I do recognise what you say about being a charmer. But only if it pleases him to be so. Because he is not a pleaser at all. (something that was also mentioned.) Extremely willfull: my way or the highway, and in discussions, he just has to have his way. Everyone must agree with him or he looses it. (This was also mentioned by one of you.) Not an easy person at all...
He has a slightly kingly quality to him, maybe due to the combination of being charming, being handsome, and being willful, but at the same time, underneath, there is a bit of insecurity. So he's always seemed more macho and immature to me, than actually confident and kingly.
He does not fit into the family well, that is true. In part because he is more of a doer than a thinker. Very active, not into reading. That sets him apart. And in part because his value system is different, with regards to money. But it's not just different, it's unhealthy. Because it's one thing to not care too much about accumulating resources (that's great, none of us is very materialistic either), it's another to neglect basic material security, and to then rely on others.. and to take for granted that others will help you make ends meet while you go out partying rather than working.
He studied physical education and became a wind surf instructor during the summer, and a snowboard and fitness instructor during the winter. The dream life, but it didn't pay the bills. Initially, my parents helped out a bit, hoping that his jobs would pay the bills in time, but then they found out that the fitness center had actually offered him more hours, to work, and therefore more money, but he had refused.. So quite irresponsible, and lazy. (Unless he truly wants something, he did well at university, because he was motivated.)
Around the same time, he got into a very bad car accident, which caused some bruises on his brain. Due to tremendous discipline, willpower and a love of exercise, he made a relatively good physical recovery, but his mind has been affected: spells of psychosis, paranoia, etc. I would have expected to see Moon together with Rahu, but instead, he has Moon together with Ketu, in the Saturn card.
Since his accident, which happened when he was around 27 or 28, he has lived on a tiny government pension, and he has been living at my parents house. Some of those years have been good, because he didn't have to work, was able to drive and to surf, go to the gym, watch movies all day, etc. No great desire to work. At some point, he did reorient his career towards massage therapy and had a small activity in that field.
Due to his mental health issue, he is not actually capable of living alone (something he will not admit to), so when my parents are gone, he might end up living with other people, in some sort of psychiatric care compound where people live semi-independently. If we ever get him to accept such a thing, because currently, he has been locked into his room, in our parents house, for a year already, to paranoid to come out, coming down only at night to get some food from the kitchen. And refusing any psychiatric help. (He is now 44.) Extremely tragic and painful, including for my parents of course, who are now accused of sapping all his energy, basically murdering him. (His words.)
Before his accident, he had a girlfriend, but she was as tricky as he himself is manipulative... Since the accident, there have been two girlfriends, but neither worked out. (the first wanted a child, and the second, he left because he felt he was loosing himself in the relationship)
Hope this helps scetch some of the other 5 of Clubs possibilities.
I'm a bit confused by the meaning of the King of Hearts on the ecliptic card, and by some of the other cards, but as I said, I have not studied it in depth.
Hi Mattias and all,
Lovely idea to share our BC and charts.
Here are some thoughts from me about your chart
5 of Clubs is about going outside all security zones, always challenging yourself to find new paths. Having K of Dimond on Uranus is good as it should be seen as an asset and a security in who you are and what you value, just like with your ecliptic card K of Hearts, if they are not debilitated of course.
That it has been a challenge in family contexts while growing up and also in many other contexts I understand because your path in this life is to always challenge yourself to new heights of insights.
That you work as a crossword editor feels like an understandable choice for you considering your BC card. Crosswords is all about gymnastics and challenges for the brain :))
But your 4 of clubs on Pluto, how can it be a longterm work? Pluto is about changes and transformations ...
Thanks for sharing,
Amelie