Since Omens are life communicating with us, all humans, plants, and animals can be Omens.
So, can a conversation be an Omen?
Can this conversation be an Omen for you, that is, is life trying to communicate something to you by bringing these Cards and you choosing to engage in this conversation about your own life?
Do your interpretations of these Omens a reflection of your own current inner-state?
Thank you for taking the time to read and reply, and thus engaging the conversation.
I am more practical in my approach to astrology and cards. I saw a thread about "clover" and my mind associated it with a 3♣︎ It is just as simple...I believe in omens, I just don't necessarily go deeper to find meanings...I let my intuition guide me, so if something comes to me, it comes right away...if not, I make the right connection after an event manifests, and then, the previous omen suddenly makes sense. It is very different for each one of us though 🙂
@mirela I remember having done the same thing; I followed a guy with an Adidas backpack, with the big clover logo on it, and I associated just the way you did Mirela; "that´s a three of clubs". After a while I realized it was rather an ace of Clubs; it´s actually just one leaf, even if it´s three-folded. Then I got confused and kind of agree: the first association is probably the right one, even if it´s wrongful in a way. That time I decided not to make a judgment call, since I just wouldn´t know, so I missed the Omen, I´d say.
Best regards
Mattias
@searchinsachin I´d say it´s all intertwined and that everything is an omen about everything, always. So for sure.
And, not being sarcastic or something like it, for me the conversation is an omen about it is to communicate and share visions and ideas, which was exactly my general frustration yesterday, how hard it is to explain your thoughts and understanding without being understood. For me it´s crystal clear: a clover representents an Ace of Club and I can in no way understand why there would all of a sudden be three of them, unless they would have been three showing up. So I end up feeling misunderstood. But again, you are right: that IS an omen for me, that human communication is difficult and our worlds and experiences are often quite separated. Exactly in a moment that I was struggling with that theme. So for me it became an omen of an omen...
Best regards
Mattias
I agree with you, and that is why clear communication and articulation is something that I personally have continually worked upon.
Indeed Mattias, that is all I have to say to you, along with thank you for sharing your thoughts.
@searchinsachin Yeah, I really didn´t mean is at as a complaint; it just happened to be a theme yesterday, and as you asked directly whether the this conversation was an Omen to me. Maybe it came out a little harsh; what I mainly trying to say is that yes, I believe everything is an Omen about everything.
Best regards
Mattias
Hey, no, not at all. It did not come out harsh at all. In fact, you were very polite.
In the "practical meanings of cards", some key words Ernst suggests for 3♣︎ :
"Big start of business, Business collaboration, Energy for growth, Expanding opportunities, Growing of all types of things,Growth & development, Growth of hair/nails, Self-education, Teams, Tests, Useful information"
Thank you for sharing those, Ernst, and now you, Mirela.
Hi Sachin,
You are on the right track. Keep going with your line of thinking. Yes, it is a Spades and Clubs and Hearts. I do not have the time to explain right now, but I will write in detail in a few days.
Since you did not reply to my first post, I thought you had found your answer.
My response to what you had mentioned says awaiting moderation for some reason:
Hi Manisha,
Yes, thank you. That is okay with me.
Haha I like how you went deep into explaining the difference between Interpretation and Meaning. Indeed, I seek to know the meaning of the omen and not the interpretation of it.
I feel I will be able to interpret it once I know the proper meaning of it.
Can it be correlated with 3 of Spades?
I noticed it after it had grown tall. I never planted. It is a small pot, and it seems to arisen out of nowhere, at least that is how I perceive it.
I was looking for a surface level generic answer, not a google answer. But after your response I seek to go deep with it.
@searchinsachin
Omens are things that even the illiterate can interpret. If we take the clover just as a plant, it is healthy and it is growing. So, at the point when you noticed the clover, whatever you had started getting interested in was developing at a healthy pace. You noticed the plant when it had grown tall, and not before. That means that the idea sneaked up on you, took hold in the subconscious, started growing, and at some point you started having doubts. The colour green is soothing and reminds us of the grass and shrubs, again, things that are growing and can withstand a lot.
The three-leaf clover is an Irish symbol for faith, hope and love. Perhaps the message was to keep your faith and hope in the situation alive and continue to be emotionally invested.
You noticed another three leaf clover growing. So, either you have branched out with the first idea, or another one has taken root, but you are more aware of its existence than you were with the first one - the idea, not the plant.
That would have been my very basic generic interpretation of the clover, before the conversation turned to interpretation through the cards. You felt it was Three of Spades first, then Ace of Spades and then Three of Clovers, with a bit of Hearts thrown in.
Spades is the seed. It doesn’t matter what seed it is, but it is a seed. Even if a seed in planted in the ground, without nurturing it dies. So that’s the Hearts and your emotional attachment to it due to visualising the potential fruits in the future. With these two in place, then we start looking at ways to make it happen, which is the Clubs, so that it can come into concrete manifestation which is the Diamonds.
At the Three of Spades, you start having doubts. It is the awareness of the responsibility of the seedling, that new thing, that throws everything else into emotional chaos. Were you, by any chance, looking at three options?
The start of something always causes us stress. It is undiscovered territory. The seed is struggling to sprout. That is your Ace of Spades. You had decided on something and were willing to go ahead with it.
That gave rise to Three of Clubs, which is looking around for more information to ensure the right decision and healthy growth of the seedling.
As to the precision of words that you asked about in your earlier post, I am so clear in the answer that I have, that the precision and articulation of words comes to me effortlessly, at least on paper. Instead of trying to create a flow of words, I am trying to stop the flow of words, which seems to be out of my control at this time. Perhaps, if I can find an interesting enough subject matter, I could be the next J.K.Rowling ????
I am aware that my posts get too long and seem unnecessary to others, but I hope my answers are not confusing, and I hope you got the answers you were looking for.
Omen itself:
The first one has grown very tall. My girlfriend noticed it - I had been discussing my inspirations with her and she was giving me more clarity.
The second one is medium, and outside the main door, I noticed it - This is when I allowed to let go of the preconceived ideas and beliefs, and allowed my self to be more open and vulnerable. Opening the door and expressing my self more.
The third one is with the first one, she noticed it, and is very tiny as of now - This happened today, some time back. Something is birthing and seeking nurturance.
It is interesting to see the color green as the color for Gemini Rashi, and the ongoing Mercury's transit in Gemini is growing this conversation.
Though the clover plant itself is very delicate. It cannot even stand by itself. I have to constantly support it either with an incense stick or with the curtains next to it. So, that seems to show that all of which you are describing and we all have been discussing requires support and is fragile, cannot stand by itself. It needs more than just itself.
Faith and hope is surely required in the explorations of new territories. As Ernst says, courage is required to explore Rahu. We can say that courage is a healthy blend of wisdom, faith, and hope.
Emotional investment required makes more sense now that I consider the physical fragility of the Omen. So, there is psychological fragility within my self surely with what I am doing right now.
Branching out of ideas is also very true. It is always the case with the way I seem to perceive and nurture knowledge.
As CARDS:
That is a sophisticated intertwining of the various symbols we have associated this little innocent plant with.
Noticing, Nurturing (with emotional attachment as required for caregiving), and Concretion. All the stages of growth then can be seen within the plant.
Also, at the rate at which these little things seem to grow is fast. So, within a few weeks I have gone through all the stages with my self.
Indeed. At three of spades: the awareness of the responsibility, and the effort, and also the flying apart from teammate (I exited from non-sensical WhatsApp groups formed by old friends, etc).
I am looking at and pursuing three things. Philosophy, Psychology, and of course my dearest Astrology.
Yes, Ace of Spades shows the more focused.
Then, the three of clubs: that is accurate. It has always been there but right now I am narrowing down on the texts that require deeper inquiry.
On Articulation:
Haha. Indeed, words effortlessly flow when the message is clear and one is inspired.
Finally:
The length of the post does not matter if its contents are worthwhile. It seems to me that it is the vice of verbosity that deems the lengthiness as unnecessary.
Length in and of itself is a problem for only the impatient and the imprudent, or simply the uninterested.
Thank you for the explanation.
Thank you for confirming my interpretations. I know you were just looking for the meaning of the clover plant, but the topic had already moved past that.
I feel that there is a message for me in this conversation about the precision of words. I think I understand it, but if you have time, would you mind conversing with me privately to help me see beyond any doubts? It would be much appreciated.
It is nice to see that everyone has taken away something from this discussion.
I do not mind. I'd be glad to be of assistance to clear your doubts.
My email address is sachin.sharma0245@gmail.com