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U said something along the lines of people overcoming their horoscope if I'm not mistaken, either by realizing they are the soul and not the body or through enlightenment..

 

My question is , "if" it so happens, wouldn't that be indicated in their charts aswell? Them overcoming it? Or will it be like them dissagreeing with astrologer's prediction as though they gave the wrong birth detail? Or will an astrologer be able to see in their chart them going above and beyond the law of karma through it?

 

 

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I'm reading a book about Ramana Maharishi, The Power of The Presence. In the book Ramana's childhood friend says:

"Bhagavan did not seem to have a lot of faith in his own horoscope. Once, while i was at the ashram, Sri Ganapati Muni studied Bhagavan's horoscope and predicted he would go on a pilgrimage the following month. On my next visit i asked Bhagavan if he had been on the predicted trip.

- He looked at my horoscope and predicted my future, but that horocope does not apply to me now. I have had another birth, said Bhagavan."

Does the birth chart not apply if the ego dies?

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@brightsun I also wonder this because I know someone extremely spiritually advanced and the bad avashtas and debilitated planets they have don't seem to have any sway on them.

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@rhiannon A person with great desire and attachment to the world is gonna feel every pleasure and pain in a huge way. A person with detachment is not going to be swayed that much by anything.

What can we then say about a person, who has realised they're not even a person?

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I also have questions about whether spiritual development and learning life lessons causes certain aspects of the horoscope to no longer be as relevant. 

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@ben-whipple 

We are in this lifetime what we did in past, we will be in future what we do in this lifetime. So, the bottomline is we are the ones who are creating our destiny whether for good or worse. God has given us freewill to decide our choices but once executed, we can't  escape the results of those decisions.

Horoscope is the map we are traveling to work out our past karma, if we work out our past karma with right attitude, eventually we will rise above the bad effects. 

As Ernst mentioned in LA master course something like if a person engages in bad LAs, huge amount of bad Karma is just waiting to strike them while if they just engage in good LA, then they can avoid a lot of bad Karma to fruitify. So, either person burns their bad karmas primarily through suffering or through the fire of spiritual practices.

So, I believe we can say bad Karmas can stay dormant for a person until fully burnt through spiritual practices and right attitude while they rampage the ones in due time who are intoxicated by bad behaviour.

 

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@amit i share this belief as well. Life is a long journey. This life is just a stepping stone to the next life. Life now is the result from your last life and before that and will carry over to your next life, if you believe in the next life idea. I actually grew up with this teaching from my folks. If you do bad things, there will be a debt to pay at some point and sometime it is even in this life time. Life is also a choice even with a bad avasthas chart if you consciously make the choice to change the result of that path. If you engage in good behaviors now there will less debt to pay...Got to burn all that bad Karma before you are liberated...

tuyet 

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Thank You Amit!

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I was going to create a different thread for this comment but think it might be relevant to be added onto here?

I was wondering how do you overcome that feeling of helplessness hearing about something negative in your chart? I am one of those people/clients who struggle getting a negative prediction.

Even when trying to enact positive changes/remedials and “overcome” my horoscope, I’ll often struggle with thoughts of “it’ll never happen” or “I’ve tried everything” and just thinking the odds are just stacked against.

I also have Jupiter and Saturn together in Taurus and I’m sure Jupiter is a major factor for these things. Overcoming bad LAs sure takes work

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@e-g-1999 

You have to use remedies like Australian flower essences and meditate until they delete these negative patterns from your mind and consciousness... And you can feel like I am a "mini" God... And basically feel like I can be, do and have anything and eventually things can start to fall in place... 

Soul's true state is a being of divinity and that's where we are meant to be.. anything else than that is just a false idea and an illusion which needs to be taken away from our perception... It can take time but that's where we should be looking and moving towards for life to be truly rewarding 

 

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@amit thanks Amit!

Yes, with the meditation I try and do 20 minutes of inhaling/exhaling cold/warm air through the spine while being aware of what comes up and trying maintaining a focus on the spiritual eye (always a challenge!) I’m trying to keep it simple and not muddle with too many different techniques 

its also been on my to do list for a while to do the Bach flower course so I will look into that also

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@e-g-1999 Hi All 

I definitely simply. sympathize with you all. I understand the helplessness I've been through that which is mean i been true the dark moment that I figured everything was in my way and nothing was manifesting the what I wanted. I had a pleasure to listen to the back flower remedies, And it was like a punch in my face. How accurate it was. I want to apologize from the beginning. If I misspell something. I'm still learning English and now Hindi. astrology But in my personal experience. throughout my life, I also had difficulty with certain liquids I was bartender in entertaining business. And I realized that, people who are allergic to liquids ,like Robert Williams said. It doesn't matter if you drink just once a month. But if you're allergic, and you can't stop after one drink For example, it's like you can't have only one potato chips. then the back flower remedy is very dangerous even two drops will trigger. that  disease. I say consult with your doctor if it's OK. You also mentioned that you have Jupiter Saturn in taurus . Well, that depends when you born. If Jupiter was invisible, debilitated. which one has the lowest degree that also very important was stationed? Because if Saturn has the laws degree. then it will kind of bring you back to the reality. It will drag you down and. you got to ask yourself, are you? severing every moment in your life? What is your motive when you financial matter, health ,pleasure your creativity, something your are missing, or you dont have the strength?  What makes you helpless? loosing time for self pity ? Meditation, is not going to work. if you already predicting negative up front . things ahead before it happens. So you have to completely empty your mind and be prepared when the negative manifests and you will be ready. to resolve them. It's better be prepared for the opportunity when it comes. If Jupiter has the lowest degree. then he's the powerful one. And through my experience repeatedly is a very vicious planet. Enormous. Everybody thinks it's a lucky expansion. Yes. but in what way? It can swallow the whole 12 planets to get what he wants . It's it's so big. To the EGO is big. even in ancient mythology Marduk, he wanted it all for himself, over and over He wouldn't stop. So if you have this dreamlike expectancy. you may lose yourself in that. the keyword. is concentration. focus. You have to give 100% percent to everything you do. because Saturn is time and time is precious. Every little thing takes time every Time. Every little effort takes time. So why not to do the best out of it? Ernest Wilhelm pointed me out. One specific thing. to focus on one brick at a time That's very important. And I agree 100 percent. to find Nirvana. to find enlightenment. You've got to empty your mind. like catch yourself. Why am I thinking about this or doing worthless things? is it beneficial? If it doesn't do to me anything right now, So do something which you can do. and be the best out of it. Do do your best. It's like learning in school, educating yourself. Will you put our have the wisdom and we can make mistakes over and over until we get it right. Because when you go out in the real world, some other things we cannot make mistakes no more. My Youngest brother. I saw it with my own eyes. has similar. and he also is multi talented. but imagine disassembling a watch, a wristwatch. and then putting it back. together. again and again. Even a small insignificant. thing. would take a lot of concentration and focus. When I was helpless. I decided to. composed. and paint. And it kind of helped me to clear my mind. It didn't bring me progress at that time At that moment, and make a lot of money out of it because I didn't know how to advertise that. So you lose your confidence. when you need some kind of approval. A Jupiter. Saturn. And Taurus, You will always have this ups and downs, like pulling you One Direction to another. Keyboard is concentrated and accomplished one thing. for that moment and for that day, and it will add up and it will manifest. Hunger and persistence is the key, I guess you wrote this letter just about when Jupiter to go direct but it was stationed first So the pool of energy was constant. The vibration of frequency from 125 last year. 2023 was desire unfulfilled desires and this year will go to 150 to 185. to anger. and people sometimes when they angry makes desitions in a good or bad matter  It's kind of a breakthrough. to accomplish something that you truly want and what is necessary. if you truly want to practice meditation. I learned this in my school. to stand still. and avoid any gadget. for like two days. and do something useful after be Creative. that requires focus and concentration Because that's how you mind empties . And then when your mind has space in it. then you can allow new things to come in. If you had shortcomings in the past or taking shortcuts, live it in the past and learn from it. Time heals everything, everything will pass. Time is unity. Work with that. I hope this helped. sincerely

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