There was a thread about this in October of 2024 or so. Amit initiated it. This is how Nadya wrapped it all up:
"@amit thank you for your input. So you mainly look at:
- House LL is in
- House AK is in
- Houses ruled by planets in Lagna
- Houses ruled by planets with or aspecting AK
- Houses ruled by planets with or aspecting LL
+ Inspiration from Sun: house Sun is in + Leo house
(referring to house cusps, I just put "houses" for simplicity's sake)
I'm trying to develop a system for myself where I look for confluence, seeing as for many charts if we look at all the factors we end up with 6-7 or more focal house cusps. So basically if there is repetition of some focal areas, then there is even more focus there, and I can see which themes will be more prominent in the life of the person. Just like shown in the course, of course, but trying to decide if there are factors that have more weight than others, e.g. the house cusps LL and AK conjunct. "
If we are talking about the same thing(s), basically career indications?
Staffan
@marianela @staffan I have a related question. In my own chart, LL and AK are in the 5th house, but conjunct the 4th cusp only. Is the focal bhava 5th or 4th?
@qwertym2 I´ll have to go through this (again? Not sure I´ve watched it.); so it´s from the Concrete chart and vargas course, video 22 and on; it´s also in the manual. It´s not the career indications as i thought. Sorry, can´t answer.
Staffan
@qwertym2 for this particular method we look at the cusps, as Jaimini deals with concrete manifestations.
@nkan @qwertym2 @marianela Yes, and I found the exact moment in the video in which he (EW that is) makes that clear: 20th video of the Concrete chart & vargas course, 34th minute.
Staffan
@marianela I have to watch those videos again, or actually I´m not sure whether I ever watched them. The concrete chart & varga course, video 22 and onwards.
Staffan
@nkan That´s a lot of indications already, I guess we don´t need more in most cases. I still wonder whether planets in the Svamsha, as read in the Rasi chart, wouldn´t work as a secondary indication, though. Just a thought.
Staffan
My chart is a peculiar case it seems, that I invite you all to wrap your heads around, if you want to.
Nor my Lagna lord nor the AK aspect any other cusps than the 1st and the 7th.
But both conjunct/aspect the Sun, which has 3rd, 4th, 5th cusps in it´s sign. So those cusps are brought into the equation when we are looking for the focus, am I right? So, through rulership. Or not? *scratching my head*
Oh, and the 2nd cusp being ruled by the AK Moon.
Please feel welcome to chip in!
Staffan
@staffan yes, because they aspects the lords of the house cusps, you'll have those too. Whichever cusps are focal points more often will have more weight.
@suzanstars Thank you Suzan! One more question if I may...? Does the 2nd house gets involved once, twice or even three times?
- The AK Moon ruling it
- But also from it´s lord the Moon being aspected by the Lagna Lord? Or do we only count aspects to the cusp itself, not to the lord of the cusp, when it comes to involving a cusp through aspect?
- AND it´s the second lord aspecting the Lagna lord
Hm... 🤔
Staffan
@staffan sounds right to me. But I do think that the 1st and 7th probably outweigh since both the LL and AK are aspecting them and each other. Then the 2nd and then what the Sun rules. I would judge it that way. In fact, I would even give most weight to the 7th since both the LL and Sun are in that sign with that cusp, and the AK is also aspecting it.
@suzanstars I agree, and it has been very true in my life. More or less in that order. Not that I have been too much into training my body as such, but I´ve had the luck to have a healthy body and enjoy cycling, walking, trekking, wood splitting etc.
Second house - I have brought up three kids; well, two of them are adults now - and providing for them has always been a huge priority. Often the most important thing in life, I´d say. As it should be when the kids are small and dependent, I guess.
Then, as for my 7th - gosh, my nakshatra is Uttara Phalguni as well, so you can just imagine how important being in relations have been to me. And is.
Thank you Suzan!
Staffan
@suzanstars What do you think about the idea of considering planets in the Svamsha as secondary indications of focus in life? Conjunct the AK in the D-9, but studied in the D-1, I mean.
Staffan
@staffa
@marianela That´s a great observation!
Jupiter connects them through lordship with the LL/Sun and conjunction with Ke though, and also the Sun rules the 5th cusp, Ma/Ju/Ke are in the 5th house. So there is some connection between the two conglomerates as you call them.
I envision a machine with two different circulatory systems of some kind.
Staffan
Hello Ernst and everyone,
While going through the Concrete Chart & Varga analysis with Jaimini course, I also became a bit confused about what counts as Focal Bhavas.
Do we also count the house cusp ruled over by AK as a Focal Bhava?
There is a list, actually published twice, in the thread, just scroll. House cusps, yes.
Staffan
Yes, I'm familiar with both lists - the one mentioned and the script throughout the course. Upon reviewing my notes again, I've identified where the confusion arose. In Video 20, Ernst referenced the cusps ruled by the AK, which in that instance is located in the Lagna. Therefore, those cusps were utilised due to its placement there.
However, I'm still contemplating this further. The focus of the 1st Lord pertains to themes of the 1st House (such as the body and path in life). I've been considering whether the focus of the AK also correlates with the cusp it rules - but then again focus is not the same as rulership of course 🤔
@kaf I don´t think there is any doubt there. Everything that the AK rules, whether conjunct, aspected or not, just by rulership, is in focus. That´s also one of the points of the list, so I don´t understand why you are hesitant?
Staffan
I also have a sense that the bhavas the AK rules over must hold some importance - but are they really a part of the focus? The list you’re referring to doesn’t mention lordship, and Ernst doesn’t seem to use it in the examples from the course - except for the one I mentioned earlier, where the AK is in the Lagna.
Also, when we analyze the Lagna lord, we don’t consider the other houses it rules over, right? So I’m wondering if the same principle applies here.
@kaf I don´t think we should take the term "focal bhava" too seriously though, it´s more like a suggestion I think. "These are areas in life worth taken consideration", kind of. If you have a rasi with 3 - 4 planets in it it´s certainly going to play an important role in your life, even if we don´t find any of these indications in it. So it´s not carved in stone, I believe.
Staffan
As I understand it, Jaimini techniques are used to answer concrete questions. The answers are meant to be clear - either a yes or a no. It’s about whether something is present in your life or not, rather than how you feel or think about it.
So yes, I do prefer having these rules clearly defined and set in stone. 🙂
@kaf Sure, but what the focal bhavas do, I believe, is to suggest in which area you may ask those questions. In which area apply that strict methods. I don´t think that the approach should be equally robotlike. But it´s up to the individual, obviously.
Staffan
@staffan Well, that’s just how my exalted Mercury works 😉
This thread, as I understand, is about how a specific technique functions - not about general chart interpretation. In the first video of the "Concrete Chart and Varga Analysis with Jaimini" course, Ernst mentions that these techniques aim for objective reality - so ideally, anyone using them should arrive at the same conclusion.
I think we can leave it at that and try not to derail the thread any further.