@karinia This post really made my week, and probably more than that.
I listened to the section of the Rasi course that you referred to, realizing that life seems to have blindfolded me and never let me listen to that part. I guess I wasn´t ready when I went through all the basic courses a few years ago. I seem to have skipped to the new rasi sutras course and missed this.
It´s a golden key to everything in my Gemini life. I´ve done so many Mars, Jupiter and Sun things, some of it succesfully, but I have harvested very little satisfaction as a result from it.
Yesterday my left wrist manifested quite some pain and I could hardly use my thumb. "Reconstruction" my healer woman said, not knowing exactly what I´m going through. Wrist = arm = gemini, left = feminine side. I´m picking up the lute rather than the club, I guess.
Staffan
Can anyone help me to figure out my Jupiter in the chart? It doesn’t cause yoga with Saturn, got that. It causes yoga with Mercury but can Saturn boost it? And does it completely ruin the yoga between Mercury and Saturn due to being stronger than Mercury? Its values are 26.6/0.1 so that would be a huge bummer lol. And I’m assuming Saturn Mercury dasa is when all the greatness happens because I’m in Jupiter Mercury now 😂😅
@karinia I´ve missed the basics here it seems, would you mind explaining it? How can Mercury produce a Vipareet yoga for Gemini lagna, it´s not an enemy? Or rather: what yoga does it produce, do you mean?
Staffan
@staffan I should have been more clear.. not vipareet but raj yoga. I’m learning yogas right now. Ernst said Jupiter and Mercury produce yoga in the course for Gemini lagna. Jupiter is very interesting for a Gemini lagna.
@karinia OK... I kind of thought that was what you meant, but then Jupiter is an enemy and Mercury neutral so I didn´t even think about it. Interesting, I will have to listen to that. Doesn´t seem possible, but if Ernst is the source...
Would you mind elaborate on Jupiter for Gemini? Mine is ashamed, but it´s still Jupiter.
Staffan
@staffan Jupiter creates yoga with Venus or Mercury but not Saturn. Can you try to post your chart again? I don’t think it worked last time.
@staffan For the Kendra/kona raj yogas, your mars is causing a lot of trouble. I wonder if Jupiter ketu is getting boosted by Saturn. But mars is strong regardless. I’m curious what your Rahu maturation was like if you don’t mind sharing?
@karinia Well... I´m not sure what´s the nodes work in my life and what has other reasons. From a cards perspective it´s clearer: I have 9S as my Rahu card, and from the age of 46 I´ve walked the so called red path, the native American tradition, especially the Lakota/Navajo way. (Not collectively anymore, but that´s another story.) Part of that has been vision quests. I made four of them. Four days on a hill´s slope, dedicating to introspection and observing nature. That´s a proound 9S experience, I believe. In the last years, and especially last year and this one, I have been more or less laid up, dedicating quite some time at doing very little. Introspection again. Overcoming my rage, above all.
Also, returning to my horoscope, my trashed but still strong 5th house is a lot about praying and chanting. I have a strong prayer and my chants are... what can I say... My wife is a healer and I help her with energetic work, especially through chants and prayers. Work with the grandfather tobacco. Use a drum while chanting. Mars things, but also related to Ju/Ke. I have a knack for breaking curses, having had some experiences proving that it really works. Difficult to talk about though; maybe I shouldn´t.
My 11th house is really trashed and I haven´t gotten much recognition by the world. But I´m OK with that; the spirits say (my wife is a medium) that I´ve had my share of attention in previous lifetimes and that it´s not on my plate in this one. That´s OK; I won the lottery when Lupita found me, and I found her, she´s a very special woman. And I have my altar and my task. There are more tasks waiting for me ahead; we´ll see. I´m into massage and healing now; in the future there will be work for me it seems.
A healthy Venus in the 9th bails me out. I´m now learning to let go of mind and philosophy, basically letting go of my masculine strategy, becoming more devoted and less worried about managing life through actions.
I don´t know whether I answered that clearly; Rahu and Ketu are confusing for sure. I´m not sure that I understand it well, at least not their role in my own chart.
Thanks for asking!
I´m very much in love with my chart. It has been tough, but my parenthood has been successful despite tough odds; well, except for my daughter that I lost to her mother´s and her femiliy´s brain wash, when she was 12; she has a very hard time and is basically ruined from taking psychofarmaca since she was 17; she´s 25 now. That´s the saddest part of my life, for the rest I can´t complain. Again: Venus has bailed me out.
Staffan
@karinia Socially wise it has been tough, as you would expect with Sa/Ra in the 11th house. I just don´t work well in groups. I get frustrated and end up breaking up, but then when I look back I realize that I didn´t want to be part of it anyway. The medicine circles and "the red path" have really disappointed me; they give room for a lot of false spirituality I believe. There might be a few dolphins in that tank, but many sharks as well.
As you may see, trashed Aries/11th house and JS on the rasi card basically tells the same story. Learning to be alone. My chart and the cards are very lined up and really funnels everything into the 9th house and a devotional path. In a way it makes it easy: I "only" have to surrender.
My Ketu card is 2H.
Having Lupita at my side it´s not much of a problem though. I´m raising her to mythical level, right? You are gonna end up laughing at me. But that´s OK. 🙂
Staffan
@staffan Your 12th cusp is also with Rahu. Have you ever tried to connect with God by just giving up all control? Especially the breath? The energy in the spine already knows what to do. 9S is my moon card and I have a pretty strong Jupiter there. With your Saturn involved, you’ll probably want to give up pretty quick. But I wonder what would happen after a while
@karinia Wow, that sounds interesting, where can I learn more about that?
I very much want to do that, give up all control, it´s kind of the main theme in my life right now. Last week I allowed myself to sleep 3-4 hours in the middle of the day and felt a deep relief. I was brought up in a family that are always hustling and have felt quite some guilt for doing nothing - but it´s what life has put on my plate right now. Again you can see why I value Lupita so highly; I can´t believe that she is actually supporting my "letting go" project, but she is.
What I have done is deep breathing exercises. Hyperventilation I also have quite some experience with so called master plants, although I have become increasingly critical towards the way westeners and unprepared people use those in an non-conscious way. Anyway: I have had an easy time doing that, going with the flow. Similar, maybe?
Staffan
@staffan I figured it out after I was prompted by a life coach, who egocentrically bragged to others that my success was her work. Basically she told me to meditate by surrendering control and my energy started moving my body (spontaneous kriyas) after I tried a couple of times. On Halloween night actually lol 🎃 In truth I just have a very strong 9♠️. So, that’s really all there is to it. You must let go of the breath as well. Surrender all control and give permission for the energy to take over. Then observe.
@karinia Keep in touch!
As for the coach... Wow. Horrible.
Respect is what comes first.
After that balance.
After that: work, I believe. Carry water and wood.
Not one fancy word before that. That´s what I think. It´s hard to find people that adhere to that.
(With that said: She still taught you valuable stuff. As my mentors have. I don´t wanna see them again, but I´m grateful.)
Staffan
@staffan yeah I mean, I would still recommend her to others. I, like you, have very high standards for my guru sometimes. I wonder what affliction that is 😂
Well, my AmK is Mercury, in the 7th with the Sun. It´s in mula nakshatra, I guess it just digs up the truth about the person after a while?
But generally: we live in a christian world and almost every guru has grown up in that mist. Lies, confusions and manipulations all around us for hundreds of years.
And honestly, very few of those Gurus goes through a proper training. Like a real shaman would do. The marakames, the medicine men of the wixaxika (huichol) people for example, has to go through like 7 tests or something like that before becoming a marakame, one of them being sitting on a small cliff in the sea for a complete night. One of my gurus - who turned out to be fake - was taught by a Piaroa elder who was chosen as a medicine man at 8 and wasn´t allowed to approach a woman until 45, then got married to a woman that he hadn´t met and couldn´t speak to her - nor she to him - for the first 5 years of marriage.
I guess that´s what it takes. And noone does that in our times and culture. They are mostly middle class people playing native Americans, if you ask me. Or indians, or whatever role they take on.
Staffan
@staffan my AK is also in Mula 😂 idk anything about nakshatras yet though.
With Rahu in the 9th I did venture away from Christianity but to be honest it’s actually not that terrible. In fact, the main message is that we are forgiven for our sins… and isn’t that the whole point anyway.. to finally accept ourselves as we are?
@karinia Really? Personally I think that the Bible and the three religions born out of it is the worst thing that has ever happend to mankind. But maybe this isn´t the place to go into that.
Staffan
@karinia If Jupiter-Venus makes raj Yoga for Gemini Lg. Then Staffan has some from Jupiter aspecting Venus.
Nice one, connecting the lord of 7 and 10, to the lord of 5 and 12. Themselves being in dharma houses 5 and 9.
And having Mercury in 7th. It makes his dharma well braided, pretty focused between 5, 7 and 9. Just what he talks about, marriages, children and spiritual devotion.
Huge difference in the way you both speak about devotion. The strong influence of Rahu. Very interesting for me (Rahu 9), what you both say. To see different perspectives. I can identify with Karinia, but little to Staffan, whom I see as setting a useful example to me.
He has however none planet in any Water sign.
I have a friend born I guess a couple of days before Staffan. Only their Moons differ.
My friend seems not to have emotional issues. Nothing stagnating in this regard. He is very healthy and happy in general. He is a Sag Lagna.
So his dharma yoga is Mercury Sun in 1st.
About Karinia's Jupiter:
The theory is Jupiter in dasa uses to make good to the planets he joins. But his own gets mediocre.
I have a Gemini lagna friend with Jupiter-Sun in 10th. And her Sun dasa has been pretty succesful career wise.
If Jupiter makes yoga with Mercury, it must boost your Mercury-Sat yoga.
Your EX Jupiter is ur only planet in water. I presume it's good for your planets in 8th.
Staffan has no planet in 6, 8 or 12. While you have 2 planets in 8th.
My Gemini Lg friend has also no planets in 6, 8, 12. I have however 2 planets in 12, and I see the difference in the flowing, fertility and stability of life endeavors between her and me. We were born 5 days difference, so only our Moons differ.
The only difference in Avasthas betwen us is our Moons. Her Moon hurting a bit more than mine. I think she is happier than me. She doesn't have the feeling of disconnection to the world my 12th gives me.
And she has the yoga of Moon-Venus conjunction for Gemini. So her life rarely sucks. So great support are the dharma yogas.
@marianela Thanks a lot for valuable input. I haven´t completely got into the Raj yogas, but aren´t mine severely flawed? Both the 3rd and 11th house lord are there, and also the Suba/Ashuba isn´t good, or am I wrong? I will have to look at this again.
But it´s too, those are really my themes.
Interesting what you say about your friend. Still I feel my chart is like a beam of Sun shining through after a rough storm, from where I am in life right now. I don´t change it for anything. It´s still emotionally tough, since I´m geared in such a pessimistic way, but I´m working on it and will overcome it.
Are you by chance a gemini lagna too? Or identify with the devotional path?
Staffan
@staffan The dharma yoga you have is from Jupiter as Kendra lord aspecting ur Venus in 9th. Pretty auspicious as Venus is the most auspicious planet for Gemini. But it's needed the force of a kendra lord to be firmly involved, active into it. So for you it's easy to go everyday to your chanting, etc. Karinia doesn't have this aspect on Venus. So she is more likely to be active in other things than on Venus in 9th. It can feel even a scary place, because Rahu is there, and when active there she has to deal with confusion as well. But her Saturn is quite good, so it's expected she'll be able to learn the lessons with time and experiences.
I'm sorry if it's too evident what I am saying, but often we don't see clear about ourselves.
So, your yoga Staffan, has less strength than the two-way yogas. I guess it's similar to when the nodes give yoga, as they also don't give aspect back.
My friend, was in fact born 2 days before you, so his Moon is in Leo, all the rest, same and you. And for Lagna, interesting again because he is Sag. So u are opposites. It also keeps the Rahu Axis in the 5-11. I see him pretty comfortable in his Ketu in 11. With groups, comfortable is really the word, always ready to go there, it really at ease, happy... He is an artist, and he's often involved in group events, very rarely his own. If he'll do so he'll be more succesful, because his art is great and original, but his Saturn-Rahu in 5 is afraid. He also has no children. To make money he is working with children, since his Rahu-Ketu maduration more or less. So, that's good.
His shamed Jupiter (Lg lord) in 11 with Mars and Ketu, and starved in Libra: He has suffered quite some accidents. Some serious one. Since child and teenager...has about 20cm metal in the spine, etc. But it has not diminished his life. The surgeries etc, have been really succesful.
Of course at the time they happen there has been a cut in the flow. But nothing which has eventually reduced his possibilities.
I see the shame of Jupiter in how you 2 talk about Christianity. It seems you two go a bit out of urselves. So your light open-mind, not knowing everything, not-judging attitude that you both usually show is put aside, and you show a clear-cut rejection, using a tone a bit show-off trying to present urself as not having anything to do with that.
Something I've seen of shamed planets, it's how an attitude appears that somehow from outside doesn't fit with who they are. For the person oneself it's much more difficult to be aware of it.
I have a friend with extreme shame, Sun once and Mercury twice, and there it's soooo evident.
Me myself I have some, with my Jupiter half shamed, by same lord dispositor.
I'm not in a devotional path. It has never come to my life any such opportunity. I am Aries lagna, so Venus is not a planet which will give me much fulfillment. What I am looking for is Sag. The 9th house where I have Rahu. Must be why I tend to connect with you two. Somehow you have what I am looking for.
@marianela Wow, that´s quite a fabric of thoughts and observations.
First, as for the Kendra yoga; no, it´s not too evident, and I guess it´s just as you say: it´s hard sometimes to see the forest for all the trees being in the way. It´s good to have your horoscope observed from the outside.
So my bad Jupiter is helping me out after all. And as you say: makes Venus firm, makes it real. It´s like a helper finding support against a wall.
And yes, I have a thing with christianity, no point denying it even if I wanted to. Actually I was brought up in an environment of not overly dogmatic christianity and had mostly good experiences, nothing that traumatized me. I still love and sing the evangelic songs; well some of them. "Oh when the saints"-type of songs. But I feel a deep desilusion in that the church doesn´t even try, as I see it, to find the truth, to find divinity. They turn it everything a social event and makes it about public opinion, and I feel that there is such a betrayal in that. But of course it´s not my business, and some day I will have to understand that. But it is personal in the sense that I grew up in it and thought we were in a spiritual war of some kind; yeah, like when you are part of a revolution and all fired up, only to discover that everyone got caught up in their cellphones and forgot the whole thing. Something like that.
I appreciate you pointing it out for me though. As you say: it´s easier to spot from the outside, so it´s a good thing when people tell you.
Aries you say... One of my kids is an Aries, recently graduated from high school. Plans to become an engineer but is also into music. Mars/Saturn in his 5th... May I ask you to have a look at his chart from your Aries-perspective? I tell him that being an engineer seems like a wonderful plan if he does out of passion for engineering, but that he should be careful not to fall in a career trap... Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on that.
As for your friend: interesting, as you say, how we reflect each other. Jupiter is his 1st and 4th in the 11th; I wonder how that shows? I also wonder whether he has some kind of guru status among peers; I would expect that from Ju/Ke in the 11th. And the fact that his 11th is Libra, "the bazar". He´s really here for to finish up that part of life it seems, most of his planets supporting Ketu rather than Rahu. And maybe next lifetime he will dwell deeper in his art. i don´t doubt that he has talent, but Sa/Ra is really scary. Unexplicable fear. Hopefully by now it´s more like a joke though; in our age we aren´t supposed to take ourselves too seriously.
What kind of art does he do by the way? Sa/Ra... I imagine something about a social apocalypse, maybe...? Not too many sunflowers and butterflies; am I right?
Staffan
@marianela That´s fascinating. What you tell about your friend I mean. Yeah, Saturn as a nature connection, of course, logic.
I didn´t comment on your observation that I lack water in my chart, but it´s obviously true. i have been thinking for a long while about getting a pink opal for my Moon, but I haven´t acted on it yet. Might help. Moon in Virgo is great for understanding emotions, but emotions are primarily ment to be felt. I guess that when you "understand" them, you don´t really understand them. It´s fun though, because on the same time, I very much identify with water, since I AM water, according to another system that I use quite a lot, the maya calendar Cholqij. "The nahual IMOX". Strong prayer, vivid dreamer, receptive etc. Very hard to create structures, but good at feeling any given structure with meaningful content. I´ve been a crossword puzzle writer for over 26 years...
Even if your friend doesn´t have the status of a guru - not surprisingly, since his Jupiter is in bad dignity and shamed - he still has a lot of wisdom to share. Hopefully he´s being listened to among his peers. A "ready laugh" - I didn´t know that expression, sounds lovely!
As for my son: I´m very grateful! I will share his chart here so that more people may learn from your analysis. You are welcome to publish it here, if you want to. If not, my e-mail is mattias.sigurdsson@gmail.com.
I´ll attach the chart for the whole forum to see, but here are the dates in case you want to look deeper: July 20 2006, 23.23.20, Chillán, Chile. He´s running Rasi dasa until 2034.
Staffan
@staffan A drawing for your son.
Mostly for healing his Mars.
Aries Lg, so Mars is a key planet, even more being his AK. It's starved in 5th, but also delighted by Sun. And giving to Jupiter in 8th, the aspect that makes some dharma yoga in 8th.
It's a face: Aries.
Made out of triangles. Mars, number 3.
The dirección is down, and penetrating the Earth. So important. Mars the son of Earth, going to the source, 4th house. Another key house for him, where Sun, Mercury and Venus.
He has a life aimed for dharma + moksha.
Despite having a lot of distractions, he has very strong Artha and Kama yogas, while Dharma and moksha much less.
This will play out in the long term in his Akriti, where despite temporal achievements there can be some latent bitterness or anger only to be applacated by following the dharma, deeply teinted with moksha.
The essence of Aries Lagna is about dharma and moksha, since the dharma planets rule only dharma and mokhsa houses. Mars 1, 8. Sun 5 and Jup 9, 12.
Aries also number 1 it's about one thing. The strong focus Ernst talks about. And it's very much the journey of the self, where the stories in the battleground just led to the transformation of the self.
In the drawing there is only one thing, the face, the individuality, and the action: to face. Open eyes, the vision of Mars, and to be seen. One individual has been born. Not to hide.
Speaking as part of who we are. The drawing has an open mouth, an hexagon (Venus) and from there, shining rays of light, or shining sounds. Venus, 2nd and 7th lord, and also his DK. Jup gives his auspicious aspect to the 4th, where the goings and comings between Sun and Venus. + Mercury making the PV with Moon in 3rd. The inestability and need to put effort for 4th house issues. It's good that Moon and Venus have Dig.
I wonder if Jupiter in 8th needs a 8th house circumstance to be tackled. He may not be so accesible but is the one capable of sustaining the dharma flame.
Achievement signaled in the drawing with a prominent 3rd eye.
His Rahu in Pisces, 12th, struggle with Moksha themes, in Jupiter water sign. He is too young to think about healing Rahu-Ketu, which has not bad perspecrive. But now in Rahu dasa, just to live, understanding will come many years later.
More things you could see in the drawing, and if it's going to be used, can be activated by some ritual.
@marianela Thank you Marianela, that was one inspired reading, did you read in trance? I don´t get everything at once, logically, but it will open up. I will probably be back with a couple of questions later, I hope that´s OK.
I think you got the feeling for my son. Yes, he has very worldly focus, especially now in his Rahu dasa. He loves literal nuts and bolts and practical things; machines, technology. But there is a natural understanding for esoteric things too. It´s just not his time yet, just as you say.
There is also spirituality in his approach on life, "the open eyes" that you mentioned; when he was little we always tried to time the garbage truck so that he could say hello to his friends, the garbage collectors, and see their fascinating work. They never had a bigger fan than my little boy, haha!
He´s an 8 of Clubs, when he was 15 he spent a summer flying gliders and say he has never been happier than while sitting there in the sky listening to the wind, enjoying the sun bath. Fascination is his things. Just as you say: Eyes wide open.
Again: thank for a wonderful reading. As for the drawing: so it´s based on his chart, it´s not a general Aries thing? Your style reminds me about William Blake... I will most probably use it in some ceremony, yes. Again thank you!
Oh... Maybe it might be interesting for you to actually see my kid on photos; it will confirm your feeling for him, I guess. Kind of private though, so I´ll send it to your e-mail.
Staffan
@staffan Thanks,
The drawing is for your son. A couple of months ago I did another one for Mars, also with triangles, but pretty different.
The drawing really made the reading to flow. I didn't have to choose between talking about one thing or the other... Very nice experience.
"The essence of Aries Lagna is about dharma and moksha, since the dharma planets rule only dharma and mokhsa houses. Mars 1, 8. Sun 5 and Jup 9, 12."
Fascinating, love this idea.
Libra also, Venus 1,8, Saturn 4,5 and Mercury 9,12.
Intesting that all these planets are rajas/tamas and have so much to do with the concrete world, yet apparently Libra also has a great potential for dharma/moksha from that perspective.
@j0sh4rp3 In fact for all the rasis of air and fire, the dharma planets rule Dharma + Moksha houses.
While for water and earth rasis, they rule Dharma + Artha houses.
These ones are maybe the best gifted ones to make this world a better world.
Never a planet ruling a Dharma house will also rule a Kama house.
Among the fire and air rasis all of them, except Aries, rule also the 4th house. It gives some kendra power to the mix. So, for Aries they have a bit less chances to have favorable combinations supporting the pursuit.
@marianela Deep insights! A true key to the depth of the horoscope. Marianela, since you are hispanic; what about you and me starting a chat about those things on youtube, in Spanish; in this case I would be the curious listener, and if you are interested in the CoT - that you haven´t studied yet, or have you - you could be the interviewer.
Jus a wild idea, a long shot.
Staffan
@staffan Thanks for the proposal.
Unfortunately too much going on right now, plus talking is not my thing. Sorry
@marianela Actually, what you told me about Jupiter backing up Venus was like the piece I missed. I don´t know, but my chart seems so extremely purposeful, everything coming together, like I´ve really got a chance in this lifetime. To advance, that is. I guess I´ve saved up for this for some time.... 😀
Thank you!
Staffan
@marianela ah nice. After your first response I questioned if the planets must be fully aspecting each other. Good to know that it can be a one way aspect to obtain some greatness.