@karinia This post really made my week, and probably more than that.
I listened to the section of the Rasi course that you referred to, realizing that life seems to have blindfolded me and never let me listen to that part. I guess I wasn´t ready when I went through all the basic courses a few years ago. I seem to have skipped to the new rasi sutras course and missed this.
It´s a golden key to everything in my Gemini life. I´ve done so many Mars, Jupiter and Sun things, some of it succesfully, but I have harvested very little satisfaction as a result from it.
Yesterday my left wrist manifested quite some pain and I could hardly use my thumb. "Reconstruction" my healer woman said, not knowing exactly what I´m going through. Wrist = arm = gemini, left = feminine side. I´m picking up the lute rather than the club, I guess.
Staffan
Can anyone help me to figure out my Jupiter in the chart? It doesn’t cause yoga with Saturn, got that. It causes yoga with Mercury but can Saturn boost it? And does it completely ruin the yoga between Mercury and Saturn due to being stronger than Mercury? Its values are 26.6/0.1 so that would be a huge bummer lol. And I’m assuming Saturn Mercury dasa is when all the greatness happens because I’m in Jupiter Mercury now 😂😅
@karinia I´ve missed the basics here it seems, would you mind explaining it? How can Mercury produce a Vipareet yoga for Gemini lagna, it´s not an enemy? Or rather: what yoga does it produce, do you mean?
Staffan
@staffan I should have been more clear.. not vipareet but raj yoga. I’m learning yogas right now. Ernst said Jupiter and Mercury produce yoga in the course for Gemini lagna. Jupiter is very interesting for a Gemini lagna.
@karinia OK... I kind of thought that was what you meant, but then Jupiter is an enemy and Mercury neutral so I didn´t even think about it. Interesting, I will have to listen to that. Doesn´t seem possible, but if Ernst is the source...
Would you mind elaborate on Jupiter for Gemini? Mine is ashamed, but it´s still Jupiter.
Staffan
@staffan Jupiter creates yoga with Venus or Mercury but not Saturn. Can you try to post your chart again? I don’t think it worked last time.
@staffan For the Kendra/kona raj yogas, your mars is causing a lot of trouble. I wonder if Jupiter ketu is getting boosted by Saturn. But mars is strong regardless. I’m curious what your Rahu maturation was like if you don’t mind sharing?
@karinia Well... I´m not sure what´s the nodes work in my life and what has other reasons. From a cards perspective it´s clearer: I have 9S as my Rahu card, and from the age of 46 I´ve walked the so called red path, the native American tradition, especially the Lakota/Navajo way. (Not collectively anymore, but that´s another story.) Part of that has been vision quests. I made four of them. Four days on a hill´s slope, dedicating to introspection and observing nature. That´s a proound 9S experience, I believe. In the last years, and especially last year and this one, I have been more or less laid up, dedicating quite some time at doing very little. Introspection again. Overcoming my rage, above all.
Also, returning to my horoscope, my trashed but still strong 5th house is a lot about praying and chanting. I have a strong prayer and my chants are... what can I say... My wife is a healer and I help her with energetic work, especially through chants and prayers. Work with the grandfather tobacco. Use a drum while chanting. Mars things, but also related to Ju/Ke. I have a knack for breaking curses, having had some experiences proving that it really works. Difficult to talk about though; maybe I shouldn´t.
My 11th house is really trashed and I haven´t gotten much recognition by the world. But I´m OK with that; the spirits say (my wife is a medium) that I´ve had my share of attention in previous lifetimes and that it´s not on my plate in this one. That´s OK; I won the lottery when Lupita found me, and I found her, she´s a very special woman. And I have my altar and my task. There are more tasks waiting for me ahead; we´ll see. I´m into massage and healing now; in the future there will be work for me it seems.
A healthy Venus in the 9th bails me out. I´m now learning to let go of mind and philosophy, basically letting go of my masculine strategy, becoming more devoted and less worried about managing life through actions.
I don´t know whether I answered that clearly; Rahu and Ketu are confusing for sure. I´m not sure that I understand it well, at least not their role in my own chart.
Thanks for asking!
I´m very much in love with my chart. It has been tough, but my parenthood has been successful despite tough odds; well, except for my daughter that I lost to her mother´s and her femiliy´s brain wash, when she was 12; she has a very hard time and is basically ruined from taking psychofarmaca since she was 17; she´s 25 now. That´s the saddest part of my life, for the rest I can´t complain. Again: Venus has bailed me out.
Staffan
@karinia Socially wise it has been tough, as you would expect with Sa/Ra in the 11th house. I just don´t work well in groups. I get frustrated and end up breaking up, but then when I look back I realize that I didn´t want to be part of it anyway. The medicine circles and "the red path" have really disappointed me; they give room for a lot of false spirituality I believe. There might be a few dolphins in that tank, but many sharks as well.
As you may see, trashed Aries/11th house and JS on the rasi card basically tells the same story. Learning to be alone. My chart and the cards are very lined up and really funnels everything into the 9th house and a devotional path. In a way it makes it easy: I "only" have to surrender.
My Ketu card is 2H.
Having Lupita at my side it´s not much of a problem though. I´m raising her to mythical level, right? You are gonna end up laughing at me. But that´s OK. 🙂
Staffan
@staffan Your 12th cusp is also with Rahu. Have you ever tried to connect with God by just giving up all control? Especially the breath? The energy in the spine already knows what to do. 9S is my moon card and I have a pretty strong Jupiter there. With your Saturn involved, you’ll probably want to give up pretty quick. But I wonder what would happen after a while
@karinia Wow, that sounds interesting, where can I learn more about that?
I very much want to do that, give up all control, it´s kind of the main theme in my life right now. Last week I allowed myself to sleep 3-4 hours in the middle of the day and felt a deep relief. I was brought up in a family that are always hustling and have felt quite some guilt for doing nothing - but it´s what life has put on my plate right now. Again you can see why I value Lupita so highly; I can´t believe that she is actually supporting my "letting go" project, but she is.
What I have done is deep breathing exercises. Hyperventilation I also have quite some experience with so called master plants, although I have become increasingly critical towards the way westeners and unprepared people use those in an non-conscious way. Anyway: I have had an easy time doing that, going with the flow. Similar, maybe?
Staffan
@staffan I figured it out after I was prompted by a life coach, who egocentrically bragged to others that my success was her work. Basically she told me to meditate by surrendering control and my energy started moving my body (spontaneous kriyas) after I tried a couple of times. On Halloween night actually lol 🎃 In truth I just have a very strong 9♠️. So, that’s really all there is to it. You must let go of the breath as well. Surrender all control and give permission for the energy to take over. Then observe.
@karinia Keep in touch!
As for the coach... Wow. Horrible.
Respect is what comes first.
After that balance.
After that: work, I believe. Carry water and wood.
Not one fancy word before that. That´s what I think. It´s hard to find people that adhere to that.
(With that said: She still taught you valuable stuff. As my mentors have. I don´t wanna see them again, but I´m grateful.)
Staffan
@staffan yeah I mean, I would still recommend her to others. I, like you, have very high standards for my guru sometimes. I wonder what affliction that is 😂
Well, my AmK is Mercury, in the 7th with the Sun. It´s in mula nakshatra, I guess it just digs up the truth about the person after a while?
But generally: we live in a christian world and almost every guru has grown up in that mist. Lies, confusions and manipulations all around us for hundreds of years.
And honestly, very few of those Gurus goes through a proper training. Like a real shaman would do. The marakames, the medicine men of the wixaxika (huichol) people for example, has to go through like 7 tests or something like that before becoming a marakame, one of them being sitting on a small cliff in the sea for a complete night. One of my gurus - who turned out to be fake - was taught by a Piaroa elder who was chosen as a medicine man at 8 and wasn´t allowed to approach a woman until 45, then got married to a woman that he hadn´t met and couldn´t speak to her - nor she to him - for the first 5 years of marriage.
I guess that´s what it takes. And noone does that in our times and culture. They are mostly middle class people playing native Americans, if you ask me. Or indians, or whatever role they take on.
Staffan
@staffan my AK is also in Mula 😂 idk anything about nakshatras yet though.
With Rahu in the 9th I did venture away from Christianity but to be honest it’s actually not that terrible. In fact, the main message is that we are forgiven for our sins… and isn’t that the whole point anyway.. to finally accept ourselves as we are?
@karinia Really? Personally I think that the Bible and the three religions born out of it is the worst thing that has ever happend to mankind. But maybe this isn´t the place to go into that.
Staffan
@karinia If Jupiter-Venus makes raj Yoga for Gemini Lg. Then Staffan has some from Jupiter aspecting Venus.
Nice one, connecting the lord of 7 and 10, to the lord of 5 and 12. Themselves being in dharma houses 5 and 9.
And having Mercury in 7th. It makes his dharma well braided, pretty focused between 5, 7 and 9. Just what he talks about, marriages, children and spiritual devotion.
Huge difference in the way you both speak about devotion. The strong influence of Rahu. Very interesting for me (Rahu 9), what you both say. To see different perspectives. I can identify with Karinia, but little to Staffan, whom I see as setting a useful example to me.
He has however none planet in any Water sign.
I have a friend born I guess a couple of days before Staffan. Only their Moons differ.
My friend seems not to have emotional issues. Nothing stagnating in this regard. He is very healthy and happy in general. He is a Sag Lagna.
So his dharma yoga is Mercury Sun in 1st.
About Karinia's Jupiter:
The theory is Jupiter in dasa uses to make good to the planets he joins. But his own gets mediocre.
I have a Gemini lagna friend with Jupiter-Sun in 10th. And her Sun dasa has been pretty succesful career wise.
If Jupiter makes yoga with Mercury, it must boost your Mercury-Sat yoga.
Your EX Jupiter is ur only planet in water. I presume it's good for your planets in 8th.
Staffan has no planet in 6, 8 or 12. While you have 2 planets in 8th.
My Gemini Lg friend has also no planets in 6, 8, 12. I have however 2 planets in 12, and I see the difference in the flowing, fertility and stability of life endeavors between her and me. We were born 5 days difference, so only our Moons differ.
The only difference in Avasthas betwen us is our Moons. Her Moon hurting a bit more than mine. I think she is happier than me. She doesn't have the feeling of disconnection to the world my 12th gives me.
And she has the yoga of Moon-Venus conjunction for Gemini. So her life rarely sucks. So great support are the dharma yogas.
@marianela Thanks a lot for valuable input. I haven´t completely got into the Raj yogas, but aren´t mine severely flawed? Both the 3rd and 11th house lord are there, and also the Suba/Ashuba isn´t good, or am I wrong? I will have to look at this again.
But it´s too, those are really my themes.
Interesting what you say about your friend. Still I feel my chart is like a beam of Sun shining through after a rough storm, from where I am in life right now. I don´t change it for anything. It´s still emotionally tough, since I´m geared in such a pessimistic way, but I´m working on it and will overcome it.
Are you by chance a gemini lagna too? Or identify with the devotional path?
Staffan
@marianela ah nice. After your first response I questioned if the planets must be fully aspecting each other. Good to know that it can be a one way aspect to obtain some greatness.