How would you explain a below than average Navamsa for a guru? I wouldn't say they don't have a sense of purpose, but can definitely say that marriage was not a path for a guru with a below than average D9. Perhaps Ju would be a more important planet in the D9 than Ve?
Using the techniques you teach in the concrete varga course.
scott
Hi Scott,
You mean the principles from "Concrete Chart and Varga Analysis with Jaimini", right?
This is my guess: In this course, the navamsa is mostly used to analyze it for the average person, which means that it's centered around marriage and how anchored they are on their path. The entire course is about the concrete things in a person's life. Like you already mentioned, marriage might just not be concretely supported in their life because their focus is on spirituality. Hence the factors you mentioned (DK, Ve, 9th, 5th, etc.) being below average.
Below average might also mean that they are not particulary anchored on their path or dissatisfied and that's the reason they're turning to spirituality in the first place, because they are looking for an anchor.
Have you compared those factors to the Upadesa Sutra factors for "Dharma from the Svamsa's 9th" from the Jaimini I class? I wonder how they compare and whether the chart in question also has troubled dharma factors.
Most of the gurus charts I looked at had favorable D9 factors (Ve, 9th, 5th and so on) from the technique from the concrete chart jaimini course. Most had the D9 lagna or lagna lord associated with Moksha bhavas. I havn't looked for dharma from the sva's 9th in a while in guru's charts but I recall it was a mixed bag. To me that doesn't show how 'spiritual' somebody is. I am coming more to the conclusion that to determine someone's spiritual stature, one has to intuit the person beyond the chart.
Ok, I think I completely misunderstood your question then. My bad. Thank you for sharing your observations on this.
@scott-m-19 the first thing I see is marriage denial or troubled UP lord yoga for the gurus as per Jaiminy Uppada stuff which Ernst explained with example chart of Vivekananda, Yogananda etc - this is not necessary but gives the some idea
then In the Rashi I see Moksha yogas and how cancer , scorpio and Pieces signs are placed in D1 and in D9 and see how well overall chart looks like and then I use D10 chart to see how committed they are on their path of being Guru this helps a lot , have u used D10 for Guru's chart ? and Ve is all about making choices as Ernst has explained and if you see troubled Ve in D9 which justifies that its not at all looks comforting to choose spritual path so V9 being toubled in D9 is the key ingredient in Guru's chart 🙂 so you are right instead of Ve look at Ju if you are looking from a guru's perspective and you can apply all those sucess yoga to see how well they will be sucussfull as Guru specially Jaiminy Yogada stuff and Named Yogas and kala also give spiritual yoga list to see the success .
Its best to start the analysis of the navamsa, espeically in Gurus, from the Jaimini point of view and remember also the yoga of the first and 5th lords or the AK and PK to be joined or aspected and if debilitated or exalted the yoga gets stronger, so sometimes even a DB planet in navamsa will be helpful. And of course, there will be factors that deny marriage.
I'm sorry, what Jaimini yoga are you referring to? One of the jaimini raj yogas?
I have been thinking a lot about vargas lately and the D9 in particular. I can see more now why the D9 is very important and sense that the numerology of 9 is a big theme. I don't think it as important as the rasi but close to it. Can you give a brief explanation why 9 is so important in this regard and why the numbers 1, 3, 9 give rise to raj yogas in there corresponding vargas?
@scott-m-19 Jaimini really signals out the rasi, drekkana and navamsa particularly for raja yogas. If we take number 1, rasi, square it, its 1, take its square root, its 1, add every number in 1, its 1. So 1 is FULLY 1. It is what is, at that moment of birth.
navamsa is 9. We square 9 we get 81 = 9. We add every number in 9 we get 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9= 45 = 9.
so like the rasi, 9 starts and ends at nine. (THe square is the end result) THE BIG difference is that the square root of 9 is 3. The Drekkana. The root, the beginning, of 9 is the drekkana. So we are what we are, rasi. OUt of that foundation, we try and make effort, drekkana, and we have a result, navamsa. Drekkana is much to little used by modern astrologers. Its the most important varga in western astrology having survived where other vargas faded away. Its important in prasna and other systems of vedic astrology and of yogas too, but not used enough anymore. THe old books had so much info on drekkana. THey had symbols for them that were very colorful as well... so more to play with.
@ernst this is so profound and true what you shared
The root, the beginning, of 9 is the drekkana. So we are what we are, rasi. OUt of that foundation, we try and make effort, drekkana, and we have a result, navamsa
Can it be applied to D4 and D16 too ? usually I see it this way
the foundation of how much of your fair share of what you deserve you will get is D4 but how well you will enjoy or will be happy having that fair share will determined by D16 -SQ of 16 is 4
@yogesh Y es, it can be applied to those or any vargas, however, what makes the rasi and navamsa the most important is that the rasi is 1 at the beginning, and one at the end. Navamsa is 9 at the beginning and 9 at the end. Only 1 and 9 do this. There is the idea, what is the same at the beginning and the end is what is true, what is in the middle is not true.
@ernst I remembered what you taught in Jaimini that the Pada is the foot. It is the foundation, the end of the line. Pisces is the last sign, the sign of liberation, the most important thing. The beginning and the end are the most important things, the real things. Everything else in between are just changes, temporal things. That is why the Svamsa and the Pada are important in Jaimini.
i contemplated on this. When we are born that is a fix event and when we die that is also another fix event. The journey we go through life from when we are born to when we die, all those events are just temporal, changes and variable factors. I find that to be very true. But the life experience that we learned from those changes will shape us for better or for worse and will have a big say in our ending...
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Thanks for the numerological explanation. When I was thinking about the D9, it came to me that the numerology was a big component, but I don't know anything about numerology. So I asked. I also get a strong sense that the underlying mathematics of astrology is what really gives it a lot of power.
@scott-m-19 numerology is the most basic symbolism for all occult sciences. so its good to know.
With regards to the Navamsa deities, I am inclined to say that the AK and the Sun are the most important planets to look for which deities are associated with them? I find this a very interesting technique. Edgar Cayce is an prime example of Devas. And in your chart Ernst, Nri is most predominant...so you have like 1500 hours of course material!!
I don't think you have taught that jaimini yoga in any of your courses? Atleast not the three audio courses.
Conjunction or rasi aspect of the AK, MK/PuK, DK is a jaimini raj yoga.
Hi @ernst
1. If AK and PK are not conjunct, but instead both are exalted in their respective exaltation/own signs in the rasi chart, does that work equally well according to your experience? Asking since the related raja yoga described in BPHS raja yoga chapter 39 that also includes AK and PK in their exaltation/own signs.
"6-7 MAHA RAJA YOGA: Should the ascendant lord and the 5th lord exchange their signs or if Atmakaraka and Putra Karaka (Chara) are in the ascendant, the 5th, exaltation sign, own sign or own Navamsha in aspect to a benefice, Maha Raja yoga is produced. The native so born will be famous and happy."
2. If AK & PK are conjunct but instead of trine or a moksha house let's say they are in 7th, a Kama house, does that reduce the quality/power of this yoga?