Hi Ernst,
In the attached lajjitadi calculations for rasi, sun starving saturn value is not coming when they are both opposite to each other.
Also sun and saturn have both "Khala" deeptadi avastha, so they should only be showing kshudita avasthas and not any mudita. However we are seeing mudita values as well here?
Kindly have a look and let me know if I am missing anything.
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Hi Amit
I can try to address the 2nd query. Let me know if this makes it clear
The table you are referring to does not show or consider directly the Deeptaadi Avasthas. It only shows the proportionate value of ‘delight’ or ‘starvation’, as taken originally from the Rasi chart’, based on the Vimshopaka value of the relevant group.
Like in this case, the Vimshopaka for Saturn is 6.5 out of 20 (pic attached). So the delight from Mercury to Saturn comes out to be = (6.5/20) * 166.9 = 54.2.
(The value of 166.9 has been taken from the main Lajjitaadi Avastha Calculations Table)
Similarly, any starvation value can be seen by using the unfavourable Vimshopaka is: (20 - 6.5) = 13.5, and taking the proportionate value. Like for starvation by Moon to Saturn = (13.5/20) * 65.6 = 44.3.
Ernst has mentioned that he didn’t show the Deeptaadi Values in Vargas to prevent users from making too direct interpretations just on the base of value.
Regards
Thank you.
So do we not need to worry about checking the Deeptadi avastha in a varga? Does a deepta planet in a varga can still experience starvation or khala planet experience delight based on the vimshopaka value derived from shadvargas?
Okay Ernst
I will watch the videos again.
What I remember is that in deeptadi videos, you use the LA table and then go to vargas and simply check deeptadi avastha of the planet and accordingly multiply the values manually. If its deepta, then you only consider delight or proud, if its khala then you only consider starvation or thirst. If its GF then 90% delight and 10% starvation and so on... there you used it manually... I got that well.
However when you clubbed together with vimshopaka as well in next/last video, and started showing the values on varga avasthas screens directly, there I get lost and unable to understand how to see deeptadi avastha now as in the attached screenshot in first post, planet having khala avastha not showing any avastha value for rasi varga sun starving saturn and also showing mudit values even though its khala?
Thank you
One does need to look at the Deeptadi Avastha in a varga and based on that deduce if the starvation or delight may be felt (as you mentioned). One could face those situations, related to that varga, that precipitate the delight/starvation.
But, with respect to the impact that event, related to that varga, will have in one's life, we have to look at the Vimshopaka value (coz that varga's role in that area of life may be very little). The Vimshopaka will show the combined impact of the dignities in the vargas of a particular group
This is what the varga avastha tables show. It's just a proportion of Lajjitaadi avastha one carries into that varga based on the Vimshopaka value. So if a graha has Vimshopaka of 10 for the first group, it carries 50% of the delight or starvation (originally) to all 6 vargas in that group including the Rasi chart itself.
As I stated above, Ernst knowingly didn't put the feature of showing Deeptaadi avasthas in a varga in the software, as one may jump to quick conclusions just by looking at values, which may then not match with actual situations because of the combined effect of a Vimshopaka group.
(Not very articulate above, so please put the query again if confusion persists as I'm also still understanding this. And anyways Ernst only can give the absolute clarity on this)
(And, like you, I'm also not clear about your first query in the original post. I'm also seeing the Sun--> Saturn starvation missing in some charts)
Regards
Let me rephrase my queries here -
1) In attached screenshot in this thread- Sun starving saturn value not coming in rasi varga avastha screen. That is my first concern.
2) In varga avastha screen, values are calculated based on vimshopaka. Now if we add the Deeptadi avastha as well, then do we need to do further calculations manually based on the rules. Like if a planet is dina in neutral dignity in a varga, then it gets 50% delight and 50% starvation.
e.g in LA screen say a planet has say 400 mudit points. Now say in D9, vimshopaka is 10, so mudit points calculated will become 200. Now the planet is say in neutral dignity in D9, so do we finally MANUALLY calculate it as 50% of 200 again which is 100 final mudit points?
Thank you
Amit, after checking the main Lajjitaadi Value, you can look at the Deeptaadi in the varga of interest and assess the impact in that sphere to begin with, but don't give it a value as of now.
Ernst suggests that instead of interpreting solely on the basis of Deeptaadi value in the varga in isolation, assess the actual impact holistically through the filtration of Vimsopaka
So, don't alter the value according to the Deeptaadi value, coz that may lead to erroneous prediction as actual impact depends on the entire Vimsopaka value of the group.
You may still try using the Deeptaadi value for experimental purpose, but then may be you shouldn't then add Vimsopaka value.
In your example then, you can try to calculate both in parallel, one with Vimsopaka and one with Deeptaadi alone. So Mudit starts with 400 in both cases. But let's say it was Khala in that varga but Vimsopaka is 10, then value according to Deeptaadi alone should become zero and the Vimsopaka one becomes 200. This then compares the impact in varga in isolation against the one taken holistically.
(The last para is just my thought while writing; Ernst hasn't mentioned this, so not validated and should wait for what Ernst has to say)
Okay Dr Rajan, now waiting for Ernst's response to help with these queries.
1) In attached screenshot in this thread- Sun starving saturn value not coming in rasi varga avastha screen even though they are directly opposite to each other? That is my first concern.
2) In varga avastha screen, values are calculated based on vimshopaka. Now if we add the Deeptadi avastha as well, then do we need to do further calculations manually based on the rules. Like if a planet is dina in neutral dignity in a varga, then it gets 50% delight and 50% starvation etc...
e.g in LA screen say a planet has say 400 mudit points. Now say in D9, vimshopaka is 10, so mudit points calculated will become 200. Now the planet is say in neutral dignity in D9, so do we finally MANUALLY calculate it as 50% of 200 again which is 100 final mudit points?
Thank you