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AgnesBarna
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Hi Ernst and All,

I wonder if there are any combinations that help us find out if our client is able to cope with the info (bad news, talking about traumas, games,.bad habits etc) or they will be overwhelmed by that.

I have recently had a client who told she was totally shocked and it took her a week to get on track again after reading the analysis. It was only a short written anslyes, a few pages, without personal consultation. I wrote her about Saturn straved by Moon, Venus strarved by Moon, so tough combinations. 

How can we find out if the client is really ready to hear about her tough sides, traumas etc.? How can I know s/ he really wants to deal with her issues, and not just expecting nice things? I am coming to the conclusion, some people may never be ready for such an analysis, even if they say so. Even if the analyshis was written with all good intention and empathy. 

The client I was talking about above has Rahu Moon conjunction, so her self worth is bad, and information she hears is distorted. This could be one combinaton to warn us that we should be even more sensitive and empathatic than usually.

Or when Moon starves Mercury. Person is not able to see reality, everything is imagination.

Maybe we should also check Jupiter for understanding?

Is there a dasha when it is just better to go with the flow and not face your psycic, emational issues?

I am coming to the conclusion, that astrology, self knowledge, therapy is not for everyone, or at least not anytime.

What do you think? And what are the combinations to check how deep and far an astrologer can go to help and not destroy? So that client will not be ocerwhelmed but take advantage of what aatrology can offer to develop?

Thanks a lot for your insights.

Kind regards

Agnes

 

 

 

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Mona
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I know someone with Moon starving Mercury I did a few readings for: she loved her cards of truth reading (it was my first reading with COT, and I focused mostly on the positive potential of that card/spread exclusively), she had a weird reaction to a more Astro focused reading including Lajjitaadi Avasthas (and I tend to be the very diplomatic type, at least I think so 🤪) . I’ve known her for years, she very much about “yes, but…” each time she receives advice. I’ve wasted way too many hours giving her (always solicited) advices (not necessarily astrology but generally speaking, as a friend) but I’ve heard “yes, but” way too many times by now. And doing what she intended to do in the first place anyways.
So, while I find there are other factors in her chart indicating that, I think Moon starving Mercury has something to do with it for sure… My 2-cent:)

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AgnesBarna
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@mona

Hi Mona

Thank you for sharing your experiences.

Yes, I know the "yes, but" type. :-)) It can be very frustrating, when people ask you for advice, but when they get it, they dont accept it, and dont even think about it. I dont know if this has to do with personality type or so, but it certainly works like this: most people will accept an advice only when they have already come to some kind of similar conclusion, and they only need confirmation. Most people will not accept an advice that comes out of the blue.

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Ernst Wilhelm
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Yes, that starved mercury has MUCH to say regarding this. 

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Thats a good question Agnes, but basically, anytime a person has a starved saturn they are going to be less able to deal with disappointment. Also, any bad lajjitaadi avasthas make a person get hurt more readily. Basically, a wounded person will find a way to suffer their wounds. 

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@ernst

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, certainly, some people just "like" to suffer. Until a proper therapy is done.

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Hello Agnes. What I will say is this: I think one should try and give a positive reading, focus on the good points in  order to encourage the person to keep planting seeds and grow towards realization, and in order to do so you should learn as much about astrology and meditation as you can in order to give good advice, in order that you may help a person to dispel obstacles and have happiness, whether the mundane happiness of this world or the ultimate happiness of enlightenment.  

 

Now having said that it is also important to not be too positive if the indications are not there, but be pragmatic so that their expectations are not too high and you are not selling them fluff. No matter what you do, how positive it is, there are people who will be unhappy with the results as they are heavily attached to their ego and what they think should be happening or how they think the reading should go. We can't please everyone.

 

If one wants to become realized then one has to deal with both what are considered the negative and positive aspects of life, and if one can not do that then we will be in the Samsara for a long time to come. Ultimately astrology is about leading beings to enlightenment and so we must be able to say what we see in the chart truthfully in a diplomatic way.  

 

I remember during my studies that either the rishis said or it was written in the Vedas that whoever comes to you for a reading, you were destined to read for that person even before birth. Have confidence in this and try to help the person overcome their difficulties as much as you can, but once you have done that, leave it alone. This is what appears in my mind.

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@goldensky

Many thanks for your insights.

Yes, I do exactly the same (or at least I think so). I tell people the hards part, but also give some suggestion, and make them sure "I hear them", I understand them, I am with them. 

But in some cases you just cannot be empathatic enough not to hurt people. They think they are ready to hear an information, but then it turns out they are not.

I do hope though that my message will grow in her later like a seed, and later, when it matures, she will remember my words and they will help her. 

I have two take away messages from your answer:

I cannot please everyone. (My Saturn aspected by Moon certainly resonates with this :-))

I was destined to read her chart already when we were born. - This idea is something of sublime! 

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