Hi Ernst,
I am trying to understand something with regards to shamed planets caused due to Ketu.
There is a positive aspect to the negativity of the shame. For example, Mercury starving Mars causes a person to not even try, whereas Mars shaming Mercury makes a person exert more will.
Since it is because of Ketu,
- Is it meant to be let go of completely as in not exert their will at all?
- Or is it meant to be let go of only the house/sign it is affecting?
- Or is it meant for it to be turned around and used somewhere else, for example the house of Rahu?
Also, does Mercury-Ketu starving Mars also change the nature of Mercury starving Mars on its own? Kind of Mercury does the opposite and pushes Mars to try more?
I have this combination so i will share with you my thoughts on it. A good Mars makes decision base on instinct and deals with a situation head on in a healthy way. When Mercury starves Mars it creates a problem for the instinct. The instinct will act in an abrupt way. Mercury is about investigation, researching. If you research for all the answers then you will not be able to make a decision base on instinct. You get bombarded with too much information and you can't act instinctively like a good Mars would act. You become a sitting duck. I have an exalted Mars and it helps me in many ways to make decisions, but also at time i get so caught up with wanting to get all the information out there, that I don't make a decision when i should have made a decision. No doubt!
Mercury is also about communication. Mars Mercury conjunction one can have sharp wit, strong cutting words. With Ketu involves, you have to be careful with your speech so you don't end up regretting your spoken words. My conjunction happens to be in the 7th house so you can imagine i have had strong words with people that later on i ended up regretting it. Sometime I say things that can't be unsaid even though i meant what i said. But do we have to say everything we meant? NO, we don't. That is the Ketu shame.
With this conjunction i had to learn and still learning to balance the energy in the right way. When to act, when not to act, when to talk and when not to talk. With Mars getting starved by Mercury i had to learn to be proactive and not reactive. Proactive is taking initiative actions, being the pioneer spirit that Mars is. Focus on my self-development, improve my skills, being discipline to move ahead in life as these are all the qualities of a good Mars. Reactive is reacting to everything such as being impatient, lack of boundaries, conflicts, quarrels etc...With this combination control, boundary is important. I set boundary for me as well as boundary for others
Others can share their thoughts on this conjunction...
tuyet
My conjunction happens to be in the 7th house so you can imagine i have had strong words with people that later on i ended up regretting it. Sometime I say things that can't be unsaid even though i meant what i said.
That explains your ‘glass bowl breaking’ omen ???? I wondered why I was feeling like telling you that there are some things that one can only see in hind sight.
Thanks for sharing. I too have it in the 7th house, but I have had a bit different experience from yours. I think it has actually helped me move away from the 7th house and the sign.
When I was young, I was not allowed to socialise. Not blaming my parents, but my placements. That caused awkwardness when I started working, and was unable to socialise with peers. I ended up listening more than talking, and also learning about language and its nuances more. Best of all, I learnt to tap into the unspoken words. The most I have ‘spoken’ has been since I joined this forum.
Perhaps that is why it is very rare for me to have strong words with anyone, and I usually try to diffuse the situation, but when a boundary is crossed, there is no stopping the objectivity coming through. Even then, I will try my utmost to use the most conservative words, so as to minimise hurt to the other person.
I am also aware of my tendency to violent tempers since I was a kid, and I have learnt to control myself and have replaced it with cold logic. My motto pre-teens was ‘Mind over matter’. It works much better for me, but it can come across as too cold sometimes. Very few people are able to see the fire burning behind the cold exterior, even when they are around me. Some of them can sense the fire, but prefer to see the cold exterior. You just can’t win ????
If there was one major problem, it has been about laying down boundaries, and I have done way more than my share in any kind of partnership, more so with family. I have usually brushed it away knowing that I am gaining in different ways, but ever since Rahu maturation the need to stop overgiving had taken hold, which further caused a guilty conscience.
Before becoming aware of Rahu-Ketu, I used to get frustrated about the lack of reciprocal kindness or generosity, especially from family. Now that I am aware of it, it is actually funny to sit back and watch people trying to use me and my energy in various ways. And the justification is always “I am doing it for you”. ????
The more I am becoming aware of it, the more I am moving away from people where the give and take is unbalanced. I do not think it will be completely balanced, but now I can choose who and when to get into a unbalanced relationship with, and why.
I would say that it has only been since my Jupiter MD started that I stopped following my instincts. A lot has been going wrong since then, but I have also understood a lot of things in return. So, again, I can see that it is not an equal give and take, but eventually things balance out in other ways.
If there is regret and a feeling of shame, it is only about one wrong decision taken couple of decades ago. It was to do with exerting my will. That’s why I want to know the answers to the questions I raised in the first post. Is one supposed to let go of exerting one’s will completely?Perhaps, it is about bringing Mars and Mercury into balance, so each can do it’s job properly, and just being aware of when it gets unbalanced. I don’t know.
Thank you for sharing Manisha. Ketu Mars conjunction is like a landmine that is hidden. We don't know it is there. But if you wrongly stepped on it, it will explode. I will put up so much then boom I will stop putting up. That temper/energy is there just like yours. I personally don't think you should let go of your will. We need that will to deal with problems and to survive. But having this combination we need to learn to control that imbalanced energy within us. Sometime that means to let go of something then we let it go. For me exercise, good diet and i started meditation have helped me in balancing out these energies. It is work in progress and will always be so for me. I think we are both lucky in the sense that we learn through astrology what we need to work on as the ultimate goal is to have that inner peace, that acceptance of who we are. The word shame is rather a strong word as i would prefer to use the word regret. Who does not have regrets? What is done is done. I have to march forward like a good Mars would do. Sometime I can fix the mistakes I made and sometime I can't. The recognition and the ability to correct these imbalances have helped me move forward in a more positive/productive way, and i hope it will do the same for you!
tuyet
I am learning to let go ???? It’s taken quite a while to get there.
I have found regret to be a secondary emotion. Shame is so hard to pinpoint. It is an inherent feeling of being flawed and goes deeper, but the mind covers it up quickly and so efficiently. Perhaps that is the reason we try so hard to be the best we can be. Except with Ketu there, we are putting our efforts into a bottomless hole.
I am still not sure whether it is to be let go of completely, or whether just in the house/sign Ketu is in. At the moment, I am doing the complete opposite of what I used to do with the 7th house, and it seems to be working, but it’s still a slow learning process.
Hence my question about whether that gets one into the Mercury starving Mars phase as the other end of the spectrum? But then, with Ketu there, I guess one can’t do too much of that either. So, perhaps it does balance itself out over time. I see this kind of conflict with a few other different types of aspects.
I guess I am trying to get to the root of the problem and see if I can uproot it completely. I agree with you that having easy access to astrology and psychology helps get to that inner peace. You have a few years on me, and I am sure you see certain things much more clearly than I can at this stage.
This is an after thought. What is so amazing about looking at a chart as a whole is the fact that these same planets that create the imbalanced energy here are also at the same time give me wealth and success in my professional career. So one needs to interpret the chart as a whole, looking at all the vargas, avasthas etc... to really come to a meaningful conclusion about a chart...Isn't that what life is all about? We have so many areas in our lives. One area might be fantastic but another area might be not so great....
tuyet
there are so many potential combinations we can get in a chart and sometime they don't guide you in the same direction. Sometime they contradict each other. We are complex human beings for sure....
tuyet