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TanyaB
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Really enjoying the course and want to understand which aspects are considered for the latest Sun Saturn video. I don't have the software with points and the page where it is supposed to be doesn't load for me. So the question is which of the following aspects are considered there:

a) 0, 45, 90, 135, 180 degrees

b) 60 and 120 degrees

c) 30 and 150 degrees?

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Mona
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Hi, this should help (from the Characters Effects of the Graha manual): 

  • All planets aspect the 7th (180 degrees) from themselves with full strength.  

  • All planets aspect the 4th (90 degrees) and 8th (210 degrees) from themselves with 3/4 strength.  

  • All planets aspect the 5th (120 degrees) and 9th (240 degrees) from themselves with 1/2 strength.  

  • All planets aspect the 3rd (60 degrees) and 10th (270 degrees) from themselves with 1/4 strength.  

In addition Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn have special full strength aspects:  

  • Mars aspects the 4th (90 degrees) and 8th (210 degrees) from himself with full strength.  
  • Jupiter aspects the 5th (120 degrees) and 9th (240 degrees) from himself with full strength.  
  • Saturn aspects the 3rd (60 degrees) and 10th (270 degrees) from itself with full strength. 

Planets cause no aspects whatsoever from 300 - 360 degrees, from  00 - 30 degrees and at 150 degrees.

So Saturn casts a full aspect to the 3rd, 7th and 10th places from where it's located. Full strength is 60 virupas, that being said, the calculation for the exact aspectual value is a bit more elaborate than that. If you want to dive into it, it's explained in the Character effects of the grahas manual (and other manuals I believe), page 3 

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Thank you, Mona, that's very helpful! So (me coming from western astrology, trying to integrate both 😀 ) the what's considered easy aspects like trines and sextiles would still cause a bad sun saturn avashta? 

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Hi Tanya,

Have you watched the "Jyotish Building Blocks" series yet? If you haven't, the video on planetary aspects is really great. In it, Ernst goes through all the graphs that show at which degree a planet will aspect another planet to how many virupas (this is the measurement of strength he talks about in the master's course when he goes over the table), too. At around 16:50, Ernst goes over the graph for Saturn.

Ernst's "Graha Sutras" also contains those graphs and a full table correlating each degree to a certain number of virupas for each planet. In case you haven't read that yet, it's a great book to read for it's own sake, but it's also a wonderful reference to use when you don't have software handy and you'd like to look at a chart and 'calculate' aspects by hand.

Angela

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Thank you so much, Angela! I will check that out!

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No problem 🙂 . I saw your response to Mona. I also started out with a Western astrology background 😊 . When I joined the subscription service last year, I found that I had to completely relearn everything from the ground up when I started studying Vedic astrology because the two systems are so different and there were so many new terms and concepts. For instance, there are different types of aspects in Vedic astrology that are used for different purposes, systems, and techniques. The Laajiitadi Avasthas that Ernst describes in the master's course are part of Parashara Astrology. You would use planetary aspects for that. What's really important to determine those is to know the relationships between the planets. Some are friends, some are neutral, some are enemies. But the relationships don't always go both ways. For example, the Moon is an enemy to Mercury, but Mercury a friend to the Moon. Because of this, within the context of this technique, it doesn't matter what degree the planet is aspecting from, if the planet is an enemy, it'll more than likely hurt the other planet. The only difference will be how strongly (if at all) it'll hurt the planet. This is a crucial difference from Western astrology. Ernst does a wonderful job explaining those basic concepts in the "Jyotish Building Blocks" section. It's well worth watching, if you're interested 😊 . I found the information really useful and helpful.

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@angela-w

I'll definitely be lurking in different courses here 😀 I listen to astrology videos/audiocourses when I paint, so have all the time in the world to "multi task" like that 😀

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@angela-w

One thing I wonder, with two systems being compared... is there such a paradigm as "unaspected planet" in vedic astrology? I have an unaspected Jupiter so really curious to find that out 😀

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@tanyab @angela-w, I forgot to mention in my precious post that I remember Ernst saying that, for the purpose of this Master course, knowing the exact aspectual Value would be splitting hair at this stage so for now I think you just need to know the natural friendship between planets, yes/no aspects and the approximate strength. 

I actually started with Vedic astrology but am now also studying Hellenistic astrology with Chris Brennan that, according to him, influenced India and Vedic astrology. Am no history buff but it’s really interesting to go back to ancient times and I have to say it has a lot of similarities with Vedic and Tajika. The aspects there are relatively « simple » with trine, square, sextile and opposition with or without an orb of influence to qualify intensity (and conjunction or to be exact in their language co-presence). It’ll be interesting for me to see down the road how those rules operate within the Lajjitaadi Avasthas framework though I tend to think it’s best to avoid mix and match in general and take each technique for what it fully is, potentially enriching each other’s in their integrity. Really interesting stuff!

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That's a good point! I also didn't realize that Ernst had that same info in the character effects of the grahas manual. So sorry about that 😓 ! I totally blanked on that.

I do think the Jyotish Building Blocks are a great resource, especially for anyone with a Western astrology background in particular 🙂 . It helped me understand the underlying principles and also get a feel for Ernst's way of teaching (which I love) in general. It also answered a lot of questions I think I would have had otherwise. If you come at it from a different school, you sort of bring that whole mindset and those principles into the class automatically and watch and understand it through that lense. So everytime you hear aspect, as a Western astrology student you would think of oppositions, trines, etc. And you might think that if Saturn is trining the Sun, that might result in a good LA. So I really do believe that to fully benefit from the class and understand what Ernst means, it's great to have some background knowledge of how the system works (and even then there are lots of questions left to ask 🤣 ).

How cool that you've been studying Hellenistic astrology with Chris Brennan, too. I've listened to a few interviews with him and I really appreciate his approach. He is so eloquent and really seems to have that thorough and scientific approach I appreciate. How are you liking the system so far? I like what you wrote about eventually wanting to see how and whether the systems/techniques can be combined. That would be a fascinating thing to study. If you do it, please let us know what you find 🙂 .

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@angela-w No need to apologize at all! That info is available throughout Ernst's course. Character Effects of the Grahas is only one of them 😉 And yes the Jyotish Building Blocks are a great resource for sure. Am halfway through Chris's course. I like that it's an A to Z system that's based on ancient knowledge and can bring me a nice foundation upon which I can build and add blocks. It's very technical which I don't mind but my love always goes back to Rahu/Ketu and the Lajjitaadi Avasthas. Am far from being able to link the 2 systems but I think they may work side by side really well. I will definitely keep you posted! (and yes, Chris is very thorough, he cracks me up because he is always so serious;)

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Hi Mona,

Have you experimented with Hellenistic versions of timing techniques such as zodiacal releasing and time lord periods and compared their accuracy with Jaimini rashi dashas or a nakshatra dasha to see if they work as well?

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Haha, I did remember thinking that about him, too 🙂 . His demeanor is very solemn. His course sounds great. You're so well-rounded, Mona. I can't wait to see how you'll integrate all of these techniques and make them your own!

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@angela-w Thanks Angela, and I will definitely keep you posted!

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Have you tried using the Vault of the Heavens website with the free chart calculator again 🙂 ? Maybe it's up again. Once you have that chart, you should be able to see what planets aspect your Jupiter. That Jupiter probably will have some planetary aspects to it. They may not all necessarily result in Lajjitaadi Avashtas, but there should be some aspects.

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@angela-w It doesn't load for me at all, the whole page. My Jupiter is definitely unaspected in Western astrology (other than being conjunct to Pallas, but that doesn't count :))

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Dang it! I just tried it and it worked for me. Sometimes it helps when you try in a different browser. Good luck!

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Maybe it's because I'm in Ireland, but it just doesn't want to load 🙁 I guess It means I need to focus on other things and ways of interpreting it for myself.

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The funny thing, I didn't come here for vedic astrology as such, but more for Ernst teaching 😀 Most of his videos on youtube easily correlate with western and can by applied to it, like aspects, nodes in houses, signs. I'm really enjoying it, regardless of the system 🙂

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Gotcha! There's more than one way to skin a cat. So if that approach works for you and makes you happy, awesome :)!

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