Hi, I have a really personal question that came up again now, when I watched the video "Jupiter is Your Man” on You Tube.
I am 48 now. I was in love with a boy from high school for about three years. It felt like my first big love. When I turned 16, I invited him to my birthday party. There, he met my mother. They both fell in love with each other and had a relationship for a year. Since I had a very close, more friendly, sisterly relationship with my mother and was her confidante, I could never really be angry with her. However, I believe that this experience significantly influenced my sense of being a second choice or something similar, and it definitely affected my self-esteem as a woman. I am now wondering if this could be seen in the Jupiter-Avashtas too or perhaps more in the Moon and Saturn-Avashtas. My Moon is okay, but it’s in the first house and in opposition to Saturn in the 7th. It also afflicts my Saturn (starved Saturn to 36 points).Or is it my Sun in conjunction to Merc and Rahu in Scorpio? My Venus does great in Libra but I have Ketu in the 4th in Taurus. I would appreciate any hint on how such an experience might be reflected in the horoscope. Thank you!
@ernst of course, thank you! 10th of November 1975, 1.50 pm in Heidelberg (in Baden-Württemberg)/ Germany
Hi there, I could be wrong on what I'm about to say as I noticed it while watching anime and using the voice actors birthdate for checking things out.
Anyway here it goes, I noticed a lot of "sister brother" relationship with Venus conjunct Jupiter, in a "loving" kind of way ,like they get attached to a family member like it's their soul mate or something. Like the actors or actress attract some kind of Venusian connection with a family member. Like you I was wondering where it was coming from, it did seem kind of somewhat "unhealthy" from a Avashtas point of view but at the same it wasn't the kind of Avashtas someone would avoid as it seems pleasurable or what we would call "nice" "soft", at least from the standpoint where I was coming from.
If I'm guessing correctly you have a Jupiter Venus opposition, with Venus quite strong in Libra, Venus in the 9th (parents, marriage), Jupiter in the 3rd brothers. This is 2 adults together (Jupiter/Venus), they are both soft gentle Graha, so it' doesn't feel as harsh or cruel. But it's still affecting your belief system of Jupiter a bit. Saturn in the 7th make it coming as a more older vs younger type relationship at the same time.
Clue: when you turned 16 Jupiter maturation age., Venus opposite Jupiter, your mum (Venusian Adult) Starving your husband (Jupiterian Adult). Venus is also your DK or probably if I calculated things correctly. And it's starving Jupiter a bit, Saturn on the 7th make it slower or harder to find a partner at the same time, and you got age difference that you saw. Venus in the 9th is very good though, so nice relationship with your parents and culture, though the 10th is with Rahu, so that 9th is probably not something you are at ease with either, coming more from a Children (PAC) perspective of ketu in the 4th, and that strong Jupiter in the 3rd is probably something you use all the time compared to the 9th, which is more something you want to improve as it's close to Rahu.
Maybe nothing new here, it´s kind of obvious, but: Your Mercury is shamed in your 9th house and it´s your MatraKaraka, so indicator for mother.
The 9th is the house of father and marriage, it would be interesting to know those aspects of your life affected by your mother´s lack of loyalty and limits? (I guess this was not an isolated event.)
I have shaming in my chart too, by the way, and a similar story to tell. For the integrity of other I can´t do that though. Just saying: You are not alone, similar things happen far too often. And shame, as painful as it is, is also a wonderful instrument to work with once you have decided to embrace it. Perhaps you know that already.
Staffan
@staffan Hi ! Thank you, I did not consider the MK…this is interesting. When I am back from my holiday I will check that in Kala ( I forgot my laptop charger). In my Kala my chart displays with Mercury, Rahu, Sun in the 10th. So it would be Father which matches too, but in Western Astrology it’s the way round, it’s Mother. Did you display the chart in the software? You use Campanus too?
Yes it was not a single event and there are little shamings still going on today but my self esteem has grown more so it’s easier to deal with that. My mothers chart is not an easy one and that gave me a „Aha“ moment of understanding too. But wounds can be so deep, that I find it very challenging to deal with it. It is really a long process:). Thank you for sharing!
@staffan this is very interesting. Weakest planet in my chart is Mercury - very low shad bala + DB in Pisces with Rahu. It's my BK - siblings, and indeed this has been a painful and challenging area, always. I will definitely be looking out for that from now on, thank you.
@staffan hi, to come back to your question here above :
Every time throughout my life that I have expressed interest in her field of work, whether it was a naturopathic training or now astrology, as she is an astrologer herself and naturopath, she has been very dismissive in her comments or completely ignored my interests and development in that field. That means, she has always been very selective in her perception and approval of what has interested me in my life. I also remember moments where she said one sentence which destroyed my worth and enjoyment in an instance, for example after a ballet presentation when I was a young girl. But she has difficult Avashtas, and had a very difficult upbringing , I understand that better today.
@tamarap Yep. I have similar personal experiences. One thing that helps, I believe, is realizing that we have probably done bad to people in the same or similar way in previous lifetimes, so in that sense it´s not more than fair - probably - that we now how to taste our own medicine. Well, that is what I have been told by... Hm... *mystic music*
Also one thing is to understand and forgive your mother at a distance in time and/or space and another to have to deal with her in real life. Of course if a person is in the habit of backstabbing us we must be aware about that and be prepared to defend ourselves. It doesn´t mean that we lack forgiveness, love or understanding.
You probably know all this already... It may help me to analyze me own experiences.
Staffan
At the risk of overfitting (brains are wired to find what we want to look for lol)
I didn't notice anything that could predict the event, but I do notice stressful times, which was probably handled well!
- Me is combust, and lajjita avastha, you were running Ra/Me from 1989-91, and then Ra/Ve. Ra/Me is conjuct 8th cusp, lord Ma is DB indicating stressful circumstances.
- Me is natural significator of friend and also Matra karaka, with required shadbala
- Concretely on Jaimini caranavamsa, you were in Cancer dasha from 1998-1995, again with Ma in Cancer, who rules Ra.
Mars in cancer is delighted indicating stressful circumstances, but healthy attitude.
D-7 has like 4 proud and 1 OH planet, pointing to a good inner-relationship compass!
@jam1 The Moon is alone in the 4th with good ShadBala. Also a helping factor.
I keep coming back to what I have been saying on the forum lately: Mars in the 5th is, according to my experience, a wonderful placement for rising above the situation through prayers, chants and mantras. Even though it´s DB it should still work, especially after maturation.
Staffan
@jam1 For sure, I didn´t mean to argue against you, it was meant like an additional observation.
yes, what you said makes sense!
I actually have Ma in Cancer, but in 7th, and been running the sub dasha of Ma for about 11 months now; despite having Mo with Ra, I can literally realize how Moon is helping a really stressful time on the outside, after Ernst's videos on PAC.
And also felt the lack of energy in Ma last few months, with Mo looking to change things. Can also feel now that motivation to act is getting back to normal as approaching end of the sub-dasha..
so yes, fully agree DB Mars will work, but it has its own different way of working, lol
@jam1 I believe that after the maturation of a planet we have the capacity for overcoming debilitation. Perhaps even turn it into a strange. I´m a Gemini ascendant, so dual thinking comes natural to me; everything can be turned around I believe. My Saturn is debilitated. One of my mine task in life right now is to renovate the apartment into which we have recently moved; painting and similar works. It´s not fun, but it improves my Saturn. I´m doing mantras, but it hasn´t been Saturn´s turn yet. I´m curious about what´s going to happen when that time comes.
Staffan
@jam1 Thank you! I still haven´t taken the Jaimini course, so this is really new to me but as soon as i can I would like to learn that too. What do you mean by "4 proud and 1 OH planet"?
Ahh, ok, I meant in D-7 chart, which is the relationship chart - Ve in MT, Mo in MT, Ma is Ex, Ju is Ex, and Me is OH.
Me rules 1st cusp, Ju rules 7th cusp and 9th cusp, Ma rules 5th cusp - some of the more imp cusps in saptamsha chart.