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Scott-M-19
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Hello Forum Members, 

What are the astrological indicators for assessing someone's sleep? 

Here is what I believe to be true:

Look primarily at the D-30 chart. 

12th house/cusp and pisces and planets influencing the 12th house/cusp. Seems like cruel planets influencing the 12th house/cusp can disrupt sleep.

Moon as the lord of the night as well as the moons son, Mercury.

Mars as the karaka for the Nervous System. 

Perhaps Venus as Venus can represent relaxation/rejuvenation? 

 

Any Thoughts?

Scott

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radharamana
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I have sleep issues for the past 8 years. My Jupiter is in bad avasthas in Virgo, so ether issues from the planet and the rasi. My Mars is not great either. Excessive ether drains earth and the destroys water, basically my nervous system is undernourished due to lack of good digestion probably linked to the liver ruled by Jupiter. I have heard from other astrologers in this forum and seen for myself that rasi is primary, d30 is secondary.

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Amit Bhat
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I asked this question years ago and Ernst replied like any pathology can cause sleep disturbance if I remember it right as any physical or emotional trouble capable to disturb our sleep 

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@amit it would be curious to see charts of people who have/need little sleep by nature to differentiate them from those with pathological patterns. I can imagine(and do have some examples) with Suns in 4th and 12th being naturally active at night and these with Saturn there simply having nighttime work shifts.

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@sandyacc , @scott... That exactly came to my mind when I saw this question. How would you differentiate between needing less sleep and someone being short on sleep. The better our mental habits, the lesser strain on the brain, lesser is the sleep needed.

I haven't looked at the medical course but would think that we'd have to assess deep sleep vs time needed for sleep. (qualitative vs quantitative). That can completely change the answer. 

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@scoobydoo yes ,yes , yes.

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Amit Bhat
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@sandyacc

One way for people more active during night could be lot of self factor planets in night strong rasis : Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Sag and Cap.

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@amit

I know someone who has all there planets (besides Ra/Ke) and ascendant in Night strong rasis and they are totally night people! It was fun to see that in there chart. 

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Scott-M-19
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Should also mention Su rules the Pineal Gland which secretes Melatonin...Another indicator.

Sleep issues can be complex like you said Amit, many issues can contribute. 

I havn't done enough research to see whether Rashi or D-30 should be emphasized more. However in the Medical Astro course, Ernst tends to emphasize the D-30 chart more (though in the case of Cognitive/sense issues he also emphasized the Rashi chart.)

 

Interesting nonetheless..

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What governs the pineal gland? Many decades ago, when I examined chronic headaches, discovered that I had an unusually large pineal gland. The doctor didn't want to scare me, but said I needed to start looking into the tumor right away. There was no tumor, everything was innate.

I slept very little at that time. I had sleep every 3 days and for a maximum of 3-4 hours and so on for years. Very superficial sleep, it was more lying down.

It was tough. I studied at University before that period, and even then it was pretty bad. I wrote my diploma thesis in 7.5 days without sleeping for a second. After that, I slept for 18 hours, which was unprecedented for me.

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@ayan wow, would you mind showing us how that looks in ur chart ?

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@ayan

According to Ernsts Medical Astro Course, the Su rules the Pineal Gland. 

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