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I have just started listening to the PAC course, and it’s great to see all the psychology and astrology coming together in one place.

Even though the cause of separation trauma has been associated with separation from the mother, is it really as simple as that? Separation exists throughout the universe. Day separated from night, the Sun separated from the Moon, each planet separated from each other, each atom or molecule or particle separated from each other, the dissociation of everything within oneself where each of the organs and their functions are separated from each other, and the list goes on.

Since we are associated with the Moon as the individual consciousness, I wonder if what we feel is actually the Moon’s separation from Earth (it’s mother), the Earth’s separation from the Sun (her father), and the Earth’s separation from the other planets (her siblings). If we are meant to be part of the Soul, perhaps the reflection that the Moon receives is not only from the Sun itself, but also from us individuals and our consciousness, thus connecting the Moon back to it’s birth mother.

Just as a grown child hides its hurt from it’s mother to act tough and tries to take care of it’s mother, I wonder if the Moon is also doing the same by hiding it’s dark side that is pockmarked with all that it has suffered and still trying to reflect the Sun’s light. I see similarities of the same in the people on this Earth. We are all walking time-bombs and yet we overexert ourselves to take care of the needs of the other offsprings of the Earth.

Even though a male child will face the trauma of separation from it’s mother, it is only a female child that will not only experience the trauma of separation from her mother, but also the separation trauma from her child, and thus not only reliving her own experience of the traumatic experience from childhood but also adding another trauma to her already fragile mind. Post-partum stress is not something that can be brushed away. So much more essential for the female to not only have a safe surrounding to give birth in, but also a safe community around her.

With the “I’m OK, You’re OK”, I wonder if we experience the four different types during different times in life. Personally, I started with “I’m not OK, You’re OK”, moved on to “I’m OK, You’re not OK”, balanced myself out at “I’m OK, You’re OK”, and then went into a period of withdrawal with “I’m not OK, You’re not OK”.

Since it’s the Moon, I wonder if we change the wording from ‘OK’ to ‘safe’, whether it might read a bit better. Like saying, “I’m not connected to myself and so not feeling safe, but you’re feeling safe because I am connecting with you and making you feel safe, so could you also connect with me and make me feel safe?” Or “I’m connected with myself and hence feeling safe, and I’m glad that you’re connected with yourself and feeling safe too. Let’s relax and enjoy each other’s company.”

With “I’m OK, You’re not OK”, it would be “I have to connect to myself to feel safe, because connecting with you is not making me feel safe”. With “I’m not OK, You’re not OK”, I wonder if it could be read as “I’m not connected enough to myself to feel safe, and since I’m not feeling safe within myself, connecting with you is also not making me feel safe.”

Life is so complicated. No wonder we keep tripping up over and over again. 

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The more I think about it, it’s amazing how all the mythological stories are filled with trauma as a child. Krishna, Ganesha, Pralhad, Sati, Draupadi, the list just goes on. Great to use them as archetypes for seeing the behaviours of people and figuring out what traumas they might have been through.

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In my opinion the simpler it is the better yet the symbolism is still there and we can add multiples meaning on top of it later or as we learn to test things out as students. I think it's what Ernst is striving for in this course. I missed out on many things before because I wasn't able to meditate as much as I wanted to on the sutra given in Graha Sutra. In this course I feel like it's given me that possibility to think more and relate astrology to real life, as a canvas linked to what we actually experience. I studied the longest the Avastha course and the Rahu courses, and I think those course really give you the basics of astrology. It's a beginner course in my opinion, at least the way I see it now. Yet those basics give a so vast area of life to study, like it's never ending. In one of the card of truth video on youtube Ernst said he wanted astrology to be as easy as the card of truth, to give as fast the results. And I think those things explained in the card of truth seems to match what I learn from the Pac course. It's like every things explained in the PAC course could be a tool to explain every astrology course I followed until now, just like one could use the symbolism from numbers in the card of Truth couse and add it on top of Vedic astrology. 

Now that I think of it the best course that I activated my intuition more deeply was the card of Truth course, but maybe for people having an easy time with intuition they may need to study more the Avastha or a more Solar astrology. 

The Parents Adult, Child symbolism makes me think of the Kurma Avatar story in Graha Sutra. 

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@lorris 

Just checking to see if it was a typo when you said “.....we cant add multiples meaning on top of it later....” Did you mean we can add multiple meanings later?

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Like a sutra, there is a thread you can follow as you learn the system. That's what I meant, multiples meaning coming from the same root. It doesn't mean one is right or wrong. Later or as you listen, each time I listen I get a different nuance of what is expressed, which is vast and open, and meant to be that way. Yet the system is effective and simple, so simple some will probably sell it off easily as something else totally different. While I was training my dance move I incorporated the Parent Adult children system, a basic one, to try to learn faster, removes my limiting belief, keep it simple and maybe add a bit meditation on top. It's so simple it can be overblown. It does remind me a lot of what renown hypnotist talks about in their Master Class but so simple, that simplicity is a double edge swords in my opinion. That's why the books are interesting, it explains why it's so simple, yet not so easy to grasp. 

I could be wrong about it, but that's what I understood. 

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@lorris 

Your previous post did read as what you have mentioned in this post, but because you used the word “can’t”, I wanted to clarify my understanding of what you had written.

Yes, it is amazing, isn’t it, how many meanings one can get out of the same thing! To be able to see if from different perspectives is a boon! I agree about simplicity being a double edge sword, but to understand the complexity behind the simplicity and then come full circle to that simplicity helps see the world differently and appreciate the simplicity - like the Zen Koans. I have found it a good exercise to laugh at myself as I observe how the mind can make things so much more complicated than it needs to be.

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I wrote a long post but it didn't upload for some reason. I didn't see that typo, blinded by my mercury Saturn conjunction probably 😆 

I didn't know about the Zen Koans, I used to not like what I would see as "blind guessing" 10 years ago. Now I find it fun. 

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