Hi Ernst en all,
In the 7th class of the 2nd Varshaphala course you go through the attached chart. Its not clear to me why you only considered Tajika yogas of Mars, Sun and Venus towards Jupiter as being important and the others towards Jupiter as not being important. You said that Mars connects Sat and Jup and the direct Isthasala between Jup and Sat was not in an aspect that they can do anything or something like that. Are the other yogas discounted because they are not in orb of aspect or because they are in a neutral relationship? I don't remember you mentioning such a rule in the course.
Thanks.
Hi radharamana, according to Dr Charak (that Ernst refers to in his course), planets being in mutual aspects is one of the conditions for an Ithasala yoga to be formed. Therefore, planets in the 2nd, 6th, 8th and 12th positions from each other cannot form an Ithasala yoga because the planets receive 0 aspect from each other. I don't remember Ernst mentioning that in the class neither but that does make sense and, as you noticed, this seems to be his process in that 7th video of Varshaphala II course. That being said, I took Laura Barat's Varshaphala's class (am a bit Varshaphala-obsessed:) and, I remember her saying that, according to her and experience, there is still some events/results that can happen when planets are in those 2, 6, 8 and 12th positions from each other. But, my take at this time of my studying is that it is best to focus on the yogas to the Lagna Lords, Year Lord and Muntha Lord when there are mutual aspects only. Mostly, because, as a beginner, I want to keep it simple and not too overwhelming. Also, because if there is no aspect, I can only imagine that the event(s) indicated by the yogas would not be that significant.
When it comes to the orbs, if the planets are within orbs of each other (mean/average), the event will happen in the Patyayini dasa of the planet whose dasa comes first during the year, and, if the planets are within the combined orbs (addition), the event will happen in the Patyayini dasa of the planet whose dasa comes second during the year. If not within average or combined orbs, yoga is non existent.
Hope this helps,
Mona
Thanks Mona.
When you say aspect I assume you are referring to aspects within orb table. If I remember correctly Ernst said he would explain later in the course how to use that table but he never did.
You say that planets in the 2nd, 6th, 8th and 12th don't aspect each other but that table does show those aspects.
How important would you consider the muntha lord & year lord vs lagna lord? It seems Ernst mostly used the lagna lord.
@radharamana The Tajika Aspects Within Orb table drives me nuts ???? so I've stopped looking at it. Am ready for an explanation from Ernst when available 😉
When I say "aspects" re: Tajika, I am talking about the friendships:
- Very/openly friendly: 5/9 from each other
- Secret friends: 3/11 from each other
- Openly inimical: 1/7 from each other
- Secretly inimical: 4/10 from each other
I only look at the yogas formed between planets in those relationships. If neutral (2/12/6/8 from each other, I consider no aspect and therefore don't look at yogas for those, even if, as I mentioned before, someone like Laura Barat considers it has an impact). There is already so much to look at and, as someone who is still a beginner, I prefer to keep it as simple as possible.
Within that context, I look at all 3: yogas to the Lagna Lord, Year Lord and Muntha Lord. There seems to be a general agreement that all 3 are important.
Hope this helps!
Hi All,
obviously you are well experienced in varshaphala, so I am curious about your experiences regarding the techniques Ernst teaches in the first course with the tajika yogas.
In my - limited - experience they do not work very well, especially not, if I narrow down the aspects to only the varshaphala lagna lord, muntha lord, year lord and rasi lagna lord - which, according to the teachings should show the major events during the year in patyayini-dasa.
for the year my father died, I get sa and sun, but in different order then expected when following the rules (so it was sa-sun instead of sun-sa).
starting my self-employment (quite a big step in my career life) doesn't show at all.
Whats working very well instead is the technique with the sahams (if the birthtime is correct). thats really astonishing!
best
christian
@christiank Thanks for sharing your experience! I find the Sahams to be very valuable as well. Maybe using the yogas should come "on top", as an additional confirmation of what the Sahams reveal? Am far from having a lot of experience, so am experimenting a lot, but, what's great with Varshaphala, is that we have so many charts to work with (meaning our own, going back in time;). The Sahams for my marriage and birth of my son allowed me to correct my birth time (also using trigger transits as a confirmation tool). Thanks again, Mona
I seem to remember that Ernst said that the Patyayini technique was not very accurate. He said the last technique with the D60 was accurate.
@radharamana That is what I remember as well. Also, @tuyetv, I remember Ernst talking about the weakness of predicting with Varshaphala, that sometimes it was right on and sometimes off but this was when he was using sidereal, and that, once he switched to tropical, accuracy was no longer an issue. But, definitely, Shaham with Mudda dasa and D60 was the most accurate compared to Patyayini.