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(@yonathanh)
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Hi all,

In terms of relating numbers to planets:

I understand that it was made to match the order of the planetary rulers of the days. 

If I were not bound to matching them, based my understanding of each planet and the numbers I would assign:

1 sun

2 moon

3 mercury

4 venus

5 mars

6 jupiter 

7 saturn

 

jupiter is joy giving wisdom, so higher than venus.  venus is comforts, so 4. 

3 is mercury for making connections and comparing, 5 to mars for testing and fixing and investigating.  

Any thoughts? 

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(@mirela)
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If we would be taking the planets in the order of the natural distance from the sun as listed above, the list would sort of make sense...the Moon being 2 couldn't be explained though as its not closest to the Sun....it should be placed maybe between Venus and Mars ?

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if we take orbital velocity (or rather, apparent speed of planets moving through the sky) as the ordering, then such a list has a logical sense.

https://planetfacts.org/orbital-speed-of-planets-in-order/

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  1. In Ernst's book Graha Sutras you can read a thorough and beautiful explanation, with mathematics and geometry, about the numbers associated to the planets. It opens a lot of space for contemplation and understanding.
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@marianela 

The lessons related to the cards regarding 3’s and 5’s seem to relate more to mercury and mars, rather than mars and mercury. 

5 of spades lesson definitely has Mars energy, I would even say a Mars in Capricorn quality. 

4’s relate to comfort, which is quite venusian. 

What I’m saying is the explanations themselves (in the concrete and practical meanings course) evoke (in me) different grahas than the ones that fit into the days of the week order—based on my previous learnings about the grahas.  

The days of the week are a base 7 system, there is no 8th and 9th day of the week. The cards go up to 13, and the numbers to 10, so that is already a significant difference.  

 

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@yonathanh Ok, I understand now you are talking in the frame of the cards system.
I haven't study anything about cards.
I guess it's not a problem to be assigned to different numbers in different systems.

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I’m beginning to study Cards of Truth and this does make a lot sense to me, 3/5/7 having a challenging malefic flavor, in increasing power. same with 2/4/6 having benefic flavors. Also, mercury is mythologically a planet of change and learning, which I think fits well with Vipat. In the Cards Foundation video on the 5th card, Ernst speaks quite a bit about an inner “battle” which could fit with well with Mars.

This new ordering will also give different cards as planetary domicile, which should be comparatively tested.

this is also the order used by Cards of Destiny, though that system does not differentiate between birth card and sun card so it’s not equivalent.  

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speaking of alternative POVs (which I love to entertain), it turns out that Tobey’s “clockwise house” system neatly matches the logical order of planetary velocity for houses 1-9. It’s non-traditional but self-congruent.  

https://dianeclarke.com/astrology-glossary/houses-of-the-horoscope/

PS I just noticed this thread is in Yogas section… probably it would fit better elsewhere, like in Cards section?

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