Hello everyone,
I believe it would be interesting to test out the two different systems through a blind analysis, for anyone who is interested in participating. I am going to provide two different charts (Aditya & Tropical) for two very well-known famous people.
I have not updated Kala yet, so both charts will have standard signs, but one will have the Aditya calculations and one will have the Tropical calculations. It will work best if each person provides a brief analysis for each chart by incorporating the Bhava lords, lajjitaadi avasthas, and Rahu/Ketu to describe the person based on each chart. But also feel free to provide your own general analysis to best describe what this person is like in general.
After a certain amount of time (maybe a week or two), and if people actually participate, I will reveal the famous people with a general description of their lives, along with which chart was the Tropical Chart and which one is the Aditya chart (The Tropical chart can then be verified online once you all know who it is). It will then be up to everyone to discern which of the two chart analyses appears to align more with describing these people.
I’m an amateur but I can give it a shot if you post the south charts and say if they are male/female
It's a nice idea, but it's not really blind, you know...because if you've been following the course it's obvious which is which...which means, I'm already biased, and probably anyone else is too if they're paying attention.
@josh Fascinating, how can you tell? Which one is the Aditya, and which one is the Tropical? It does not appear that people will take up this challenge, so it's fine that you call out which is which.
If you understand what is happening with the Adityas relative to the tropical it is obvious which is which.
@josh I don't, so please enlighten me. Which one is the Aditya, and which one is Tropical? And how do you know?
Chart A is the tropical, Chart B the "Aditya"...obviously not actually Aditya because there are no Adityas listed.
In your personal birth charts you posted, the tropical has Libra lagna and the "Aditya" lagna is Scorpio.
This is the same pattern you can see in every chart; everything moves one sign forward. Check any chart in your older verison of Kala; in the "crazy tropical"/Aditya charts the lagna moves one sign forward.
In the new verison of Kala this is maybe more obvious, because the Adityas are only listed on the charts...the planetary information tables still lists signs. So if the tropical has a Leo lagna, then when you switch to Adityas the lagna is in Vivasvan, and the planetary information table will list it as Virgo.
If it was just one chart I wouldn't know, but when you have the two charts next to each other then it becomes obvious.
But then if it was just one chart with zodiac signs on it, then someone would only interpret them as signs and not as Adityas, regardless of the calculation.
@josh Concur. Thus, the bias will come out. I'm already partial to Adityas. Even though ( if you read my post from today on the yogas) I've got criticisms it's not of the Adityas per se, I think they are brilliant. Just the normal criticisms I'd have of astrology techniques in general. It would be obvious and I would read the Aditya chart 1st lol
Good idea to test, but as Josh pointed out we'd know which one is tropical and which is Adityas.
The difficulty is we'd need to find one or two specific parameters which depends only on the Rashi and planets don't influence or modify those parameters. That way even if it's not blind, a solid reasoning can follow.
I thought of physical appearance, but in both systems the planets aspecting lagna modifies everything.
So, things specific to Rashi like surroundings, etc which is leaning into knowing a few personal details which could again push towards bias, haha
@jam1 How do you know? Please enlighten me, I am very curious how you are able to tell the difference.
Isolating the analysis it to one specific parameter wouldn't work, because as Ernst and any good Astrologer will tell you, "You have to look at the entire chart".
Everything moves forward by one sign in the Adityas.
But, the planet in the cusp stays the same.
So say, take person 1 and ascendent, chart A, Ju Ke is in aquarius.
person 1 and ascendent, chart B, Ju Ke is in pisces.
person 1 chart A is tropical
person 1 chart B is adityas.
Yeah, exactly, so if its whole chart intuition comes into picture, and there are so many combinations to work with. It will work through the astrologer's skills, but hard to objectively test which calculation is working better is my feeling. I was just exploring if there is any way that is possible.
You could change the test, by providing tropical for one famous person and Aditya for another... And see which reasoning or description is truer.
It's only possible to tell which is which if you give tropical and Aditya for the same person.
I already mentioned this but I think it is important if you want to really test it: which is to have the actual Aditya names on the chart for the Adityas.
I know most of us "know" which ones are which, but we are so used to thinking in signs that if the signs are there we'll think of the signs.
If the Adityas aren't literally there, then what you are testing is actually whether Aries should be at the equinox or before the equinox...which is a fine thing to test, but we can't really say that would be testing Adityas.
I guess that would give the game away if one chart had signs and the other chart Aditya names...yet the point remains.
@josh, I believe what's most important is the Lajjitaadi Avasthas and Lordships for each Bhava. That can be tested in that blind framework.
Perhaps the best way to test might be to have two sets : one tropical, one Adityas with the Aditya names, and both sets have different people.
Yes, it'll be more work and also have to include people from different fields in each set to have the sample size relevant. But it might be a more holistic way to test it ? Would love to know your opinions.