Plus Saturn is with Mars.
Is it me or it’s really hard to work with people with that combo? My sister have it, my boss have it. And I swear half of the time it’s like I’m speaking to an object not to a person. They don’t hear, or choose not to hear. They operate with strong and very wrong convictions, they don’t hear reason even if you speak to them multiple times about that topic and with solid and new arguments. They forget important details like you won’t believe (it’s really a blast having a boss, to whom you constantly have to repeat the same sentences, like „I told you already they do not have their own account department. We provide that for them”, „no, we can’t do it like they did. They didn’t follow procedure”).
I have a lot of Ernst videos to cover yet. So any reason that it’s a norm with that combo? And how to speak to them so they would hear and take information (for longer than a second)? I won’t even ask how to force Mars/Saturn person to stop being a hammer when no one need it.
Have you tried asking them questions so that they can actively engage in the conversation? This might work better than telling them or commenting things to them because then they're probably won't be engaging.
@suzanstars Hi Suzan, Yes, I ask questions. I even ask them in different ways, on different occasions (everyone can have a bad day). Half of the time I hear in response things that made me post a question here how to work on communication with them. I get that they could have fried nervous system due to Sun opposite Saturn but I can't make myself small or not engaging in stuff to accommodate them in not working on themselves. I can change how I speak with them but what is the key here? I cant stop speaking with my boss 😀 This weak was so bad, due to a lot of new work, that I had a headache for almost 2 days (thanks to my boss forcing on me her versions of "solutions" which were not what I needed to resolve problems; and yes I told her couple of times what I needed).
I have Sun opposite Saturn, and both are exalted in the new Aditya system, but not in standard tropical. And yes Saturn is conjunct Mars as well.
I am sorry for the suffering they have caused you, but they certainly have my sypathy with that combo!
Others have described me as not having a stable or singular personality, that I have about 5 separate personalities that show up at work. We/I may be a few different souls born to share a single mortal form in this life.
Lots of inner conflict, plurality, and fragmentation. Even plurality in areas where there isn't inner conflict.
This type of combo can really put a strain on the nervous system of those of us who have it. To the point of our loosing track of the effect we have on others, and to the point of impairing our working memory. Much wasted time because we don't know when to pull, when to push, or when to let go. It has required from me great yogic detachment, mindful conscious awareness of multiple mutual avashthas, but balanced with an overall taoist attitude while not losing the ability to work hard. Thats what it requires from me though I have yet to maintain it consistantly.
How outright stubborn they are could be due more to the health of the planets of adaptability, especially Mercury, but Venus and Moon too.
In fact, a good Mercury could help with managing and sorting those conflicting and opposing energies. Then they can be able to manage different people.
So tell your boss and sister to get a good Mercury! 😜
Good luck!
@mitryendra80 So... Your parental voices are constantly quarreling about what to do and what not to do? That must be specially hard if you belong to a culture where guilt and/or shame are used to control the individuals. Good opportunity for spiritual growth though, as you say...
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@mitryendra80 Hi. Well they got a good Mercury with me (Its my AK, strongest Shadbala, OH, F or EX in almost all vargas). How I can transfer some of it? 😀 Seriously though, are you getting overwhelmed by fast thinking and processing person when you are in daily communication with them? I could be a lot for some people. If you could tell me what you think would be second (besides Mercury) best solution to make them more comfortable with me but also more in the moment, not in fantasies of solutions that do not work?
I have never have that type of problems, even with people with really bad Mercury or Moon.
@omanis I wish I knew enough to offer advice, but I have never been the main boss where I have worked, and I've tried to avoid taking on too much of the management roles because of an impaired Mercury, but I was better at being tactful and meeting customers where they were at than others in the customer service role. I have a fairly good Venus for that.
My main thing was just staying employed and keeping my head above water as long as possible and secretly working off clock because it always took me twice as long to do accounting-type tasks as everyone else. I didn't have the working memory and stability to survive in serious managerial work. I think fast but process very slowly and communicate very slowly. (tropically debilitated Mercury in 4th)
Sense you have a good Mercury, I guess just keep trying different things. It sounds like the person you are describing is too obsessed with proving themselves to even acknowlege reality. It may be that they have just never been humbled and challenged to change their approach, or to put themselves in other's shoes. And, at least for now, they seem to feel like they don't have to.
For some reason there are so many toxic people who lack leadership skills that are somehow still able to land those roles and keep them. But it could also be that the people above your boss, at the top, are out of touch and don't want to hear anything, and so are pushing her to push false solutions onto you based on their false vision, and she is just relaying that stress to you?