Pluto Card and Saturn Card
I have a couple of questions.
1) With reference to Pluto Card:
In the earlier video about the 13 cards from the Birth Spread you said the below with regards to Pluto: "Whatever that card is.. prepare for it to be destroyed. IT does so with a self-preservation instinct"
In the Foundation Course you said: "Its the card that is going to change whats wrong with you"
So initially you mentioned the card itself is something we won't get even though our ego might cling to it. In the second you said the card is the agency by which something in you will change. The latter implies to me that we will get the card, or rather holding on to that card is a good thing because it will change you (or rather we have no choice in the matter)... which is the opposite to the earlier course where you said there is no point clinging to the card because it will never be worth it, it will always go away.
May I ask what led you to change your mind about it? Or is it that you haven't changed your mind, you've seen it play out either way, so it just depends on the case/card/person?
2) With reference to Saturn Card:
A slightly different doubt here. You've said it's a card that is a fate we have to bear to confront the thing inside i.e. the external of it is in some way ruined (or we don't get), so a truer point of view with regards to those matters can be reached. I.e. in some way, we don't get to be the card, because we're not the card. Yes?
Why then do you say when there is a King on Saturn, those people do make the appropriate kingly sacrifices? Doesn't it follow that one some level, they wouldn't make appropriate sacrifices... or rather their sacrifices wouldn't give them appropriate gains (or be destroyed at some point). To be more specific: their getting to be a king, or be seen as a King should be destroyed in some way (externally), because they're supposed to understand their need for a kingdom and external dependancy on it from within, not from the outside. Isn't it? // Especially when you compare it to the cards from the block ruled by the King- for example you've said a 9 on Saturn card limits them, however 9 also has a similar focus on sacrifice as the King. So shouldn't the interpretation be similar (even if the King has more power to it)
The goal of pluto is to destroy our ego. The ego is such a tricky thing, the way that the ego limits our way of being are so many - form making us have a self worth issue to making us do something noble for a reason that is not true to ourselves, to not allowing ourselves to have something for a noble reason or due to some self esteem issue. It just gets in their and make us stuck. So pluto has to be just as tricky. so you never know just what he is going to need to do to get the job done. I have seen pluto give wonderful things, but those wonderful things are just what the ego is going to freak out about and cause some limitation of the ego to be removed. So it may be something that pluto takes away that there is an unhealthy attachment to, it may be something that pluto takes that there is a healthy attachment to but its time for a person to grow out of that, or it may give something that forces the person to let go of some ego limitation. Again, ego is an incorrect idea of ourselves, so forcing us to let go of some incorrect idea of ourselves. Either way, the card and the person get transformed simultaneously.
Saturn card is what we have to let go off, which stops being a part of our life. BUt face cards always energize the card they are in, so a face card in the saturn card is something that we need do one last final time. Saturn is the end, a face card there shows, you have to do this to finish.
I have Seven of Hearts as my Pluto card. My biggest ego transformations have occurred through the end of relationships, careers and ego identities. Mostly, relationships that I had strong emotional attachment to. Five years ago I stopped talking to my mom and most of my family. I have no doubt that Pluto ended those relationships because my ego was attached in so many unhealthy ways. The Seven of Hearts always gives me something better eventually, I just have to not focus on the loss of something else and put my attention to the new thing that came in.
As far as my Saturn card, I do not understand it as well. It is the Ace of Clubs so I am not sure what I have to let go of in regards to that. Maybe old ideas and beliefs that were once new, or old businesses/careers...
Saturn card is what we have to let go off, which stops being a part of our life.
What about when Rahu falls in the Saturn card? I am assuming that it would stop being a part of our life after Rahu maturation and not before then? If Rahu does not fall in the Saturn card, does that stop being a part of our life around Saturn maturation?
Or perhaps, it is something that we are meant to let go of, but a bad Avastha makes us hold on to it until Rahu maturation?
no, any card that has rahu is much less a part of our life and takes longer to get as rahu is a delaying factor, saturn is also a delaying factor, so its a double wammy and the person gets more of the saturn card as they get older.