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I have Jupiter with Rahu in my 8th house, in Aries. I'm also very familiar with the crushing feeling of failure when the things I try to initiate don't bear any fruit. However, the nature of my chart pushes me to do it anyway. Neither of the Lords of Rahu or Ketu are doing well, so for me it's a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" type of reality.

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Yes, Rahu beckons and then kicks hard 🤣 🤣 🤣 

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@manisha For sure! I'm a bit jealous of people who have no planets with their nodes. Must be nice 😝 

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Nah! We get the exciting ride. They don’t know what they are missing! 🙃 🤣 

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@manisha Hi Manisha, I have Ju and Rahu with a same lord conjunction (Ju in Pisces and Rahu in Sag). When I consulted Karen White a couple months ago, she told me that, due to Rahu and its chaotic energy, my beliefs (Ju) do change a lot. I can relate to what you describe and the difficulty to bring something to fruition but the reason behind it all is that I change my mind a lot about what inspires me (I also have Sun in Libra). And therefore I don’t persevere and move on to something else. I actually very recently found out what I’m really excited about career-wise and I’m confident I won’t change course (interestingly enough, that’s what my husband has been suggesting FOR YEARS and also cemented when Jupiter moved into Pisces). With that being said, I agree with Ernst when he says that the details are not important. And that what I do is only a way to express my true nature (and, as a student of non-duality, that ends up being very simple in fact). Another tip Karen gave me was to always go back to those people that inspire me so I don’t steer away. Like watching their YouTube videos. When I feel a drift, that’s what I do to keep me on track. Hope this helps. Mona

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I am glad you found something that calls to you. If I remember correctly, you were going through Rahu maturation and with the recent nodal transits on the Gemini-Sag axis, you had been looking at options. I am curious as to what you ended up feeling called towards.

I wonder if your Jupiter in Pisces also adds to the quick release of ideas. I have the conjunction in the sign of Saturn, so I do feel the need to persevere with whatever I decide upon, sometimes taken to extreme and to the detriment of myself. 

That was before astrology. Now I seem to be able to control my planets instead of being controlled by them and I am beginning to see how my planets conjunct Ketu are playing into this game. I guess if I am feeling optimistic about life instead of pessimistic, I should assume that I am already moving towards Jupiter.

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@manisha Good point about quick releasing of ideas, especially with Ketu Rasi aspecting Pisces from Gemini. That’s a double whammy. I never thought of that but it makes sense since most of the time, I move in to something else because I quickly see the futility of it all. 
As to what I’m called towards, it’s simply marketing! More specifically social media advertising and copywriting. Talking about futility! 😂 but like Ernst quotes from (forgot who): “it doesn’t matter what you do but it’s important you do it anyways”. And like Rupert Spira also says “follow the enthusiasm” and that’s where it is and has been for years. 

And, yes in Saturn’s sign, I can see the persevering. Everything can be a double edge sword as it’s important to allow the letting go. but too much of it can trip ourselves up too! I personally don’t see the planets as something that controls/needs to be controlled anymore. I’ve adopted the stance of observing their dance and, while they may explain personality traits, they don’t define me.

Happy new year! 🙂

mona 

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The right thing has to do with a person's essence, the details are not important. Its based on the person's way of being. Its really our way of being that we are here to discover. Jupiter is our GOOD way of being. Its the biggest part of our way, the heaviest part that carries the most weight in this world. But its an essence, the details don't matter. So its being a loving person, or a friendly person, it doe snot matter if a person is a janitor or a banker, the important thing is that they are the loving person, etc. So jupiter with rahu is on a journey to find out what their good way of being actually is. 

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‘Good’ has so many connotations, same as ‘Love’ and ‘Essence’ and ‘Dharma’. But I think I am beginning to see what you are saying. And hence, Jupiter will always be tested. And since the planets don’t work in isolation, the other planets will too, especially the Moon. Hence, Jupiter/Moon Antardasa creates problems.

Thanks. Most probably more questions to follow...

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We once had a discussion about this Manisha, do you remember?, and I quoted La-Zi: "The more you know, the less you understand". I don´t want to in any way tease you or tell you wrong, but I feel that it´s an illustration of what your Rahu makes you feel: that the more you manage to wrap you head around philosophy and abstractions, the closer you are to the truth. But the actual truth is much much simpler, it´s right there inside of you, it´s so simple that only a child or a fool can get it. Rahu in that position makes it hard for you, but is also showing the way since it´s teaches you to surrender. To give up, to being humbled, by the end of the day, is the one path that we have.

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I think that is enough on this subject. No one ever was helped by being TOLD. No one is getting helped and so it's time to drop this. We are all broken here, and we will all discover our breaks in painful ways, but once discovered, none of us need people to hammer on our breaks. 

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@ernst I agree Ernst, but I was belied and accused of having acted in a sexist way. That is in no way acceptable.

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Hi Ernst,

I was thinking about Jupiter today and everything that I know about him. The mythology of Brihaspati and Shukracharya and the interaction of Brihaspati’s son Kacha, helped make a connection.

Since I understand life through objects around me and mechanics better, I will equate life to a car.

If Jupiter is the creative spark within us, then it is the ignition in the car. But that is all it is. It is not the engine. The engine is Venus, our heart, where love resides. Rahu-Jupiter is like trying to get the engine to start, but coming against problems. Those problems could be anywhere from a problem with the ignition switch or a wrong key, to problems in the wiring, to the engine itself. 

And so, life becomes a sequence of figuring out which part of life, or the car, is not working, and in the process gaining wisdom of other things that might come handy once the engine comes alive.

So, basically Rahu-Jupiter is trying to find that emotional connection of Venus. Have I got that right?

But since Jupiter is with Rahu, it will always take the person into unexplored territory to create an expansion within their consciousness. Does it ever stabilise and cohese into one point that one can focus upon, and not go thrashing through the jungle but stick to and follow or clear a single path?

I am trying to pinpoint where my need for that stability is coming from - my Moon in an Earth sign, or Rahu-Jupiter in an Earth sign, or whether it is my 7 of Hearts Jupiter card.

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