Hi Ernst,
A quick question here. For Bandana yoga do we only count the embodied planets or do we also count the nodes? I have a chart with Rahu in the 5th from the Lagna and Saturn in the 9th. No Argala there, but do we also have Bandana yoga? Thx!
tuyet
This is the chart of the actor, George Clooney. Ketu is on asc (so the argala formations are flipped) and a malefic Mo and Sa are in 3rd forming an argala (at least, that is my understanding..).
However, would two bandana yogas also be forming here as well?
Can a bandana yoga and argala be happening at the same time?
Bandana yoga only forms from asc and only goes forward from asc? Even with Ketu on the asc in a even rasi?
@scott-m-19 My understanding is yeah with Ketu we count in reverse and 3rd house has 2 malefics Saturn and Moon so that forms Argala. But the 11th house is Taurus also has 2 planets Mercury and Sun so that blocks the Argala. I think we dont have Argala here but we do have Bandana
With Ketu or Rahu being the ascendant we count in reverse sure screwed up my chart...LOL
tuyet
@scott-m-19 Malefics in 3rd will cause an argala. There is also a bandhana yoga formed by those planets. so yes, both can happen with malefics in 3rd. Bhandana yoga is from asc and it does not matter if its forwards or reverse counting, its the same result.
@ernst did not realize malefics in the 3rd cause argala even with planets in the 11th... interesting point. Thx!
tuyet
@ernst you said both can happen. So Argala can be formed to give wealth and success yet the person still feel stuck in the situation that they are in? Is that how you would interpret this?
tuyet
i should rephrase that the 11th house is the Argala house and the 3rd house is the blocking house (Virodhina). However, if you have more malefics planets in the 3rd and no planets in the 11th then you have Argala. But here the 11th has 2 planets and the 3rd also has 2 planets blocking the Argala house. That is how i see it any way...
tuyet
I thought that if malefics are in the 3rd, even with other planets in 11th, that the malefics in 3rd still produce argala. However, the 11th can be obstructed by the 3rd....All the other argala points have a corresponding virodhina point, but that the 3rd doesn't? That their is no obstructer to the malefics in 3rd.
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Since Ketu is in the lagna, Capricorn becomes the 3rd and Taurus the 11th in this manner. That is how I am looking at it. I chose to post this chart because I thought it would be a good example...
Anyway, maybe Ernst or a somebody else can clarify!
what a nice coincidence as i am listening to Jaimini Chapter 1 Pada 3 audio #4, you explained about Argala and you use Al Gore's chart. Someone in class brought up the exact question as Scott's. Al Gore has 1 malefic in the 3rd from the 7th and he has Jupiter in the 11th from the 7th. So Al Gore has Argala in the 3rd and he also has Banada yoga as well. His 3rd is blocking his 11th but he still has Argala in the 3rd. This example in this audio was exactly as what Scott is asking above...
tuyet
Also, in the 2nd course of Jaimini, Audio #3, Ernst says, "Malefics in 3rd cannot be obstructed except by benefics in 3rd."
Argala is a bit tricky with its nuances...
@scott-m-19 yes it is... I struggle with the blocking rules - less AND weaker to not block an Argula. I had to contemplate on it and still it is not 100% clear. It is good we are learning together to clarify our questions. The best way of learning. Ernst Video #4 on the 3rd Pada, (6-13min) is excellent as he summarizes the rules. Apparently many people were confused so we are not the only ones...
tuyet