i am busy watching the video lord of rashi in the new rashi sutras.
one of moon's enemies as described by ernst is ,venus , but moon is exalted in taurus which ruler is venus. any explanation how to make sense of the interaction of friends enemy and how to know who is enemy or friend .also how to know based on enemy or friend what happens when enemy goes to the enemy sign (sign which ruled by ones enemy ) how to determine if he this planet dignity. as i mentioned above moon is enemy to Venus (as stated)but moon exalted in taurus which venus its lord. a specific answer to that case would be appreciated but also a general rull system one can work with in consistency for all planets and sign
Actually, the moon has no enemy so moon is an enemy to Venus but Venus is not an enemy to the Moon.
The natural friendships rules are determined by the positions to each other’s. I believe it’s the 2nd, 12th, 5th, 9th, 4th and 8th to each other’s that determine friendships, others are enemies (so Taurus is exaltation for Moon and Libra is 6th from Moolatrikona Taurus so Venus becomes neutral to the Moon because it has both an enemy and friend position in relationship to the Moon-ruled sign)
that being said, when it comes to exaltation and debilitation, I tend to focus more on the sign itself. The Moon is how we perceive and “feel” the world. It tends to do better in the comfort driven, nurturing sign of Taurus and not so well in the deep sometimes dark feeling world of Scorpio.
hope that helps clarify
mona
according to that video moon is enemy to Venus and it affects Venus expression negatively, when in libra (venus sign ),but not in taurus ( venus sign as well) as he exalted there, hence helps Venus expression in the chart.
Venus is enemy to the moon so when in cancer it affect the expression of moon negatively in the chart. thats how things explained which kind of very confusing.
when it comes to mars saturn is an enemy to mars( infect ernst said that when they are together they starve each other) , so when saturn in mars signs (gamini, virgo) mars has negative exasperation in the chart,
but when mars in saturn signs (cap, aqu)he is neutral there and so doesn't affect his expression in the chart. so those two planets starve each other which mean it works both ways but then when he explain the part on saturn its not really working both ways???????????????? so i am not really understanding why statements been made the when a situation is explained it doesn't match the statement made to that planet.
Regarding Mars and Saturn:
- Mars is enemy to Saturn but Saturn is neutral to Mars (note: Mars exalts in Saturn sign)
- So, whether Saturn is with Mars or in sign of Mars or aspected by Mars, Saturn will be starved
- Now, Mars gets starved by Saturn only in case of conjunction because as a special case, Saturn starves any planet conjunct with it, irrespective of whether Saturday is enemy, neutral or even friend to it. Like Saturn even starves Venus when they are conjunct
Regarding Venus and Moon
- Moon is enemy to Venus and Moon in any case doesn't have any enemy; Venus is neutral to Moon (moon also exalts in Venua sign)
- So Venus gets starved by Moon by being in Cancer, or being conjunct or aspected by Moon
- Moon doesn't get starved by Venus in any combination
@rajan Yes, very clear! @sharonsegall Some people say the Moon has enemies but is an enemy to no one. I think this is based on some mythology. I don't follow that and I don't believe Ernst does (though he may have brought it up in some of his old videos, I don't recall). And, when it comes to natural friendships, and understanding the Lajjitaadi Avasthas, as Angela mentioned, you can memorize the natural planetary friendships table. I have the attached cheat sheet (from the Graha Sutras book) stuck on my wall and I refer to it all the time, which also helps me memorize it. And, as I mentioned earlier, when it comes to understanding exaltation and debilitation, am not sure it is very useful to put too much emphasis on the natural friendship because, yes, that can be confusing sometimes. The thing is that each sign has multiple "influences", its ruler being "only" one of them, but a sign also has a gender, a modality, an element, a guna, a reason to be/motivation, a strategy, and resources. When you take that approach, the debilitation/exaltation makes a lot more sense. You could also benefit from the Character effects of the graha course where Ernst goes into details about how a planet behaves in each sign. It's really interesting and IMO is part of a foundational understanding of astrology.
thank you so mach for your response i think i am starting to get the dynamic and your explanation was very much needed!
Additional memory points which always helped me:
1. Sun-Saturn and Sun-Venus are the only 2 mutual enemy pairs.d
2. Saturn has max enemies: Sun, Moon and Mars (as Ernst clearly emphasised in LA course)
3. Unlike Moon who has no enemies, remember that Jupiter is enemy to no one.
4. The passionate pair of Mars and Venus are actually neutral to each other.
@rajan Awesome, thanks 😉
Also, I have a list of "perfect" relationships (mutual friends):
- Sun/Moon
- Venus/Saturn
- Venus/Mercury
- Jupiter/Sun
- Jupiter/Mars
As Ernst mentions, the 'whys' in astrology are tough to decipher, coz they are not explained in ancient texts.
Regarding being inimical to a graha, it doesn't mean that the enemy hates the graha. It's just that the inimical graha doesn't allow the other one to express naturally or in its ideal and pure form.
Does it mean the moon considers nobody as its enemy? Or nobody considers the moon as their enem
So, Moon becomes inimical to Mercury, Venus and Saturn coz our mental attachment to their significations makes them more personalised, which they are not ought to. And that's also how we understand the starvation in Lajjitaadi Avasthas.
Also, since Moon can adapt self or the environment to suit its needs, hence it doesn't find (or consider) any graha's impact as inimical (except if conjunct Saturn)
In Western astro-mythology, isn't Saturn the father and Sun the son? Or do I have that wrong?
Saturn wants to eat his children, and prevent the Sun from outshining and overtaking him?
S.
No, not Sun. But according to Greek mythology, he did try to eat his children. The Roman mythology looks at Saturn favourably.
@manisha I think the Mesopotamians or Babylonians saw Saturn as a healing and agricultural-related planet.
Later western medieval or renaissance astrology also assigned the cannabis plant under the domain of Saturn.
"The Roman mythology looks at Saturn favourably."
Yes, this reverence for Saturn is basically how the west got Christmas!