Hello from a fellow Ra/Mo 🙂
I would say, dont worry too much about Ra/Mo. It'll get better with time 🙂 .. One of my lessons has been to accept that I sometimes think very, very differently than others and that's okay! It's like life puts u in mid life crisis much earlier..
4th from Ra/Ke (degree) of a good avastha planet helps, esp Ju/Me.
For me a delighted Me at 90-91 degrees from Ra makes me realize my Ra/Mo mistakes. There's no way I would have avoided them! thats why it is Rahu lol...
Also, when dealing with people.. just be aware that we may see things that people will see after a year, and that can make it challenging to stay in the present 😀
@scoobydoo Hi! Thank you very much for your response! It's so nice to receive a support from the one who can understand!
Very true, most of the time my vision is different from the majority. It's important to accept it, and for me it was hard to accept myself for that, and stay authentic no matter what.
Seeing certain things before others - also can relate ????. It was like that with my parents: they proved me one thing, but I insisted for another. After years it turns out I was right.
I also have delighted Mercury in about 90 degrees (in 4th from Ra and Ke), staying together with Venus (delighted as well). So it's a good help I suppose and hope for me ????.
I'm just starting to fully realize the past Mo/Ra mistakes, and Ke/Ra axis as well, thanks to Ernst' videos. Feels like Rahu is already maturing, although I'm 32 yet.. But as Ernst mentioned, Ra/Mo people jumps into the Rahu jungle very early, and it was like that in my case. So I'm pretty ruined the Jungle by now, and nowadays getting ready to go back and "clean up the mess" ????.
@beatamanelle @schoobydoo Nice, thanks for sharing your respective experiences. I don't have that conjunction but my 11-yr old does (Ra/Mo/Ju) and I've noticed he does think differently than most. He has a gift for coming up with words that don't exist but that combine 2 different ideas. From quite a very young age. And don't get him started on God, he says it's a bunch of non sense LOL (which I "blame" on Ra/Ju). He was born on an eclipse so he also has Ke/Su in Leo and, from what I understand from Ernst's teachings, when Ketu is with its lord, these people are less likely to explore the Rahu jungle. Which is interesting because Mo/Ra throws them into the jungle. So, my understanding is that it will be some sort of a seesaw movement and that things will somehow balance out. Exalted Mercury too. Anyways, thanks again for sharing. First time I listened to a Ra/Mo conjunction, I must admit, I freaked out a bit. Also, I'm his mom (moon) and I'm French so am technically a foreigner (rahu), even to him since he's really fully integrated in the American culture. That's actually usually the first thing he says about me: "My mom is French and she likes astrology" (Mo/Ra/Ju in one sentence ????). I was wondering if you felt your mom was different than most or "foreign" in one way or another? Thanks!
I think this case is interesting.. Ju,the astrologer is already helping Ra through Mo,the mother. Ernst does mention Me and Ju aspect/90 degree/conjuction can help Ra to a large extent. You may also want to check how Ma is doing in D-1/12/60.. Jaimini gives Mo and Ma for mom's.
Yeah, I did feel that mom was different and I was confused until at one point I had a thought to analyze her parental influence. I think she has done really well considering what she has dealt with.
So, now I feel a complete acceptance from her side for what I am and I accept her for what she can provide.
That being said, when I hear someone talk about missing their mom a lot, my first switch in the brain is what's the big deal?! but then now I understand that it is! ... I can consciously change that switch back..
Things just happened in a way that she wasn't able to be there physically with me for a lot of time during some imp parts of childhood.. but I did have grannys and other moms 🙂
@scoobydoo thanks! Mars is in his 9th house, which brings back the Jupiter and foreign land element so it’s really interesting. I’ll check his Vargas. And I can totally relate to what you say re: your mom. As I mentioned in another post, I have Rahu in 4th and I find a lot of commonality with the conjunction. My mom was physically present but at the same time caught up in a lot of relationship drama which tells me she may not have been fully emotionally present. She’s got her own Ketu/Rahu axis in 1/7 to deal with 🙂
@beatamanelle, hi, yeah.. copy paste all numbers, and explanation, that's me too!, just that Ra/Mo and Me is in trine... Yes, there is hope.. and lots! :D, just need to have faith
Correct.. like Ernst says in his video, these people get more time to heal because they are put into situations much more earlier, and it can be challenging due to lack of handling knowledge. That was a relief to me when I watched it.
Now the more I observe, I realize that almost everyone is in the jungle but not conscious of it.. and Ra maturation shows it to them.. so it's tough..
So Mercury 4th from the Moon... ... helps, right? To communicate one´s feelings? I wonder, because I´ve got it. Virgo Moon, which is one of my strength as an astrologer I think; being able to analyze emotions. Should I add to that: "... and Mercury (in 4th from the Moon) picking it up and expressing it..."?
Mattias
@meyes Hello fellow Moon in Virgo, on the day am working on someone’s chart with Moon in Virgo 🙂 “We” find happiness and emotional contentment in improving and perfecting ourselves. Careful not to fall into self-absorption (unless properly counterbalanced by service to others), perfectionism and analysis/paralysis (especially with Mercury squaring it -4th from it). Eventually, we’re happier when we practice self-acceptance despite our great capacity to see our flaws, to love who we are and the raw reality of it rather than who we could become. Also, as you already know I think, it is a combo for a healer (the Moon nurturing combined with the desire to be of service)
@mona Nice description Mona, a good reminder; most if it I was aware of but the effect of Mercury in 4th /from the Moon/ eludes me; where can I learn more about that?
@meyes Usually a square creates friction for the purpose of evolving. Maybe the over scrutinizing of oneself can lead to greater self-acceptance and surrender. I would also focus on the Lajjitaadi Avasthas of these planets to complete the puzzle:)
@mona That´s my thought too, that only a trine would give harmonious results; it all sounded so positive here. But stimulation - OK.
Mattias
@meyes the trine is harmonious but the caveat is to fall asleep (due to lack of friction). It brings great potential for growth but we need to apply will and self-discipline to activate this potential.
So, one could say there are no good or bad aspects, but the triggers to make a person evolve are different and more or less gentle. Am still working on fully understanding these myself but it can be quite fascinating to understand the mechanics ????
@mona Yeah, I´m a Five of Club as you know; I´m used to suffer; no problem. ????
Mattias
@meyes -
For the Ra/Mo post, I really meant Me 4th from Ra.. actually in degree terms close to 90 degrees between Ra/Ke axis. Since Ra and Ke are 180 degree apart, something right in between the can help balance the axis. That's how Ernst mentions too in his manual.
For Me 4th from Mo, I think Ernst has it in his compatibility lessons... 10th from the Su for men and 4th from the Mo for women is important. They prefer benefics.
But, everyone has masculine and feminine parts... and 4th from Mo can reveal authenticity (doesn't mean 4th from Mo with a cruel planet is bad, something may just be hidden)
I interpret 4th from Mo as what's really going on under the surface... so it does make sense to me that you are able to analyze emotions in a non-judgemental way 🙂
Hi Mona!
With my mom we are just really different people in all senses, like polarities. So yes, felt the "foreign" element ????. And also she was not fully present when I grew up, physically and emotionally, due to her own problems in life. Though in my 20th or so, she started to be TOO much present ????. Rahu = extremes.
Yes, Ra/Mo conjuction can be tough in times. But exalted Mercury should help for sure. And Jupiter with Moon, like in your son's case, as I heard, helps to be emotionally more stable and overly positive.
@beatamanelle Thanks for sharing Elena. I guess I have to watch out being too present then ????. And I totally get the “foreign” element. I have Rahu in my 4th house and it can bring similar things in my relationship with my mom. Ju/Mo is a great conjunction indeed and they have great Lajjitaadi Avasthas too, so far he’s a very well adjusted and happy kid:) Thanks for your kind words.
@beatamanelle, hahaha.. same with me .. I never had a time where she was too much present though... some mass karma stuff 🙂
we should make a youtube video for Ra/Mo sometime highlighting the possible positive aspects .. except I am camera shy 😛
@scoobydoo I had this second fase with my mom (of too much attention from her), maybe because the Ketu in in my 4th house. The biological mother is the one of indications of 4th Bhava as I know.
Now I have a big struggle to understand this position. Especially after taking the Healing Rahu Ketu course. Turns out mom is with Ra and with Ke at the same time in my chart.. Or do I need to consider Moon as this nurturing feeling itself, and biological mother as 4th house? If it's like that - a bit more clear.
Probably the most difficult relationship I have in life is with her. Seems we are so close, but at the same time so much pain associated.
@beatamanelle Hi Elena, I don't quite understand your question. Are you asking how to heal the Ra/Mo part with the mother ? or are you asking how to make sense of it astrologically ? I'l try to answer them separately.
Healing:
For the healing part, I think it's more simple than astrology but it's scary, that is Rahu. I managed to tell her how I really felt about the mom/son relationship during childhood without being harsh (Ve,Me ppl barely need to be harsh ..haha) . She told me her side of it, and confessed that at one time she herself was not mentally okay when her mom passed on. After that came acceptance, then mutual respect which led to healing.
For healing part using astro, I found Jaimini's principle of 6th from Amatyakaraka counted in the correct order as per Jaimini in D-30/D-1 to be very potent. It may seem unrelated to this discussion, but it seems to help in everything. Ersnt said it in his lesson, he has Me and focusing on aspect of lord Vishnu (deity of Me) helps him. I have Ve in D-30 and Ra in D-1. It's almost surprising how quickly focusing on aspect of goddess Laxmi (deity of Ve) helps me.
Understanding:
For the making sense of it from Ra/Ke question, Mo is both the nurturing feeling itself and also the consciousness of the nurturing part of the mother. Ma is consciousness of the action part of the mother. 4th is the bhava, that is, the material form of the relationship with mother itself, it's also emotions. Is it bit more clear ?
It can be hard to come to conclusions just from D-1. I have Ke in Cn in D-12 (parents/ancestors) ,D-60 (everything). So mom is there with both Ra, Ke anyway. I did have times of perception of her being there too much, but not after I had that conversation with last year 🙂
@mona or @meyes or enrst may be able to better help understanding the nuances of the position.
@scoobydoo Hi! Thank you for your reply! I think I now I got it.
The part what's been unclear for me it's just the simple thing. Like the Ke bhava - normally you should leave it alone and go to Ra bhava. So for me it was a struggle: should I just leave the relationship with mother (4th with Ke). But when I leave it alone and go to Ra in 10th - there is Moon (equals mother).
But I just reached the 72 video of Healing Rahu Ketu course, and everything came into a place in my mind ????
Firstly, the key is BALANCE. And also, probably the 4th it's indeed biological mother, and Moon (in my case with Ra in 10th) is feeling of care and nurture. So the key point is to go to Rahu house, get the needed nurturing there, and then relationship with biologocal mother (4th house with Ketu in my case) will improve. Luckily I already had to experience how it is, yet at some point I forget. I think, with Rahu and Ketu you need to maintain this fragile balance all your life..
But thank you again for your detailed response.????
@beatamanelle Have you gone through the Extemes of Rahu and Ketu videos? Ketu in 4th is really well explained there. 4th house can mean the mother but also the home, feelings, etc... so it could describe your mother (maybe an emotionally distant person) but it also can relate to the range of feelings you allow yourself to experience. I have Rahu in my 4th and, while there is some connection with my mom, the main theme of Rahu in 4th for me is my relationship with my feelings and accepting myself for who I am, not for what I do (Ketu in 10th) and very much so about the fact that it’s challenging for me to feel at home anywhere. Every house has multiple layers to explore and not all are taking center stage, depending on each individual. Hope that makes sense.
@mona Hi!
Yes, sure I've watched the extremes of Rahu &Ketu videos, especially with my position. I know that it's many layers.
Here the discussion went to the topic of mother figure, so that's why I was writiing about only this aspect of Nodes placement.
I quite got it now, thanks. ????
Thanks ladies for sharing! Two of my children have a Mo/Ke conjunction; close to mum, mum´s protectors. A derailed divorce forced me to leave the country where my oldest daughter live with her mother and she hasn´t spoken to me since 2012. Very involved with her mother, even though we had a wonderful connection.
The third has a Mo/Ra and has a hard time feeling understood by his mother, he´s dad´s boy.
(Didn´t say you don´t understand your boy Mona, after all Jupiter is there too in your boy´s case.)
Learning from you, thanks again.
Mattias
@meyes Am sure my boy thinks that I’m an annoying weirdo. Sometimes, he just tells me « I’m worried about you » (mostly when I want to spend money on stuff he thinks I shouldn’t spend money on ????). And, while I’m doing my best, am sure he feels misunderstood at times. I wonder if this conjunction is not harder on women though (I believe Ernst mentioned that), because of same gender and this makes the identification more complicated. My son also has Ketu/Sun and, while there is a lot of love and respect between my son and his father, it’s definitely a more distant relationship.
@mona Sounds very true. My boy too has the triple conjunction with Jupiter there... So our kids are very close in age; April-July 2009 something, right? So for him too it´s softened that way.
Your son is still so young, his relationship with his father may mature into a closer connection later. It´s very normal that kids bond more strongly to their mother up to that age and beyond. In the ancient times that was when they began to be invited over to the men´s side of society.
Mattias
I myself have had many experiences when transit Rahu has moved into a natal lunar conjunction. Even the Moon sign is enough. Usually, health problems tend to occur and it is very difficult to get help because going to the doctor they make false diagnoses or do not understand what is going on at all. The people around me don't tend to understand me either, and it's like double games, although I try to be very clear and talk about everything exactly.
I have noticed that those who have the conjunction of the Moon and the Ketu in natal, even on a character basis, tend to repel people or be militant in their own way. Quite a few female martial arts have such a conjunction or strong aspect between the Moon and Ketu.
I myself have a sign based connection between the Moon and the Ketu in the birth card, and when I was young I wanted to become a professional soldier, but it went differently. In general, I communicate with very few people and do not tend to be very sociable.
On the other hand, I have noticed that those who have (even sign based) conjunction of the Sun and the Ketu are often great business people and often have some kind of exotic ancestors, either in terms of nationality or status.
@ayan I have Mo/Ke same Lord conjunction: I tend to be very social (especially as I am getting older) BUT I don't share my feelings easily, I can be very poker face (people tend to think that I'm this always-peaceful little thing LOL they have no idea what is going on on the inside). Interesting about martial arts, I've always been attracted to it (never really learned though)