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Mars starved Saturn ordering of different aspects/conjunctions- which is worse?

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toxic load

I assume this means emotional toxins as well? Rage, bitterness, unprocessed grief, paranoia due to trauma, etc.?

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Negative emotions weak our organs and then we cannot manage the toxic load. 

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THere is a lot more to it than that of course. The mental disease leaves the mind into the emotional body and then we have emotional disease, as emotional disease leaves, we have physical disease. LIkewise, if we have wrong ideas, we suffer emotionally, that causes our organs to not manage and then we suffer physically. Ultimately all disease starts in the mind, with a wrong idea. 

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Mars saturn conjunction happens in 1/12 charts. THen saturn will be in the sign of mars in 2 out of 12 charts. Then mars will aspect saturn strongly in 3 out of 12 charts. So Mars is OFTEN hurting saturn. and of course it's not the only thing that can compromise the immunity, it's just the most common. 

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How vaccine makers minting money :

https://youtu.be/6ucuOvJOO0I

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If you only see vaccine makers making money, you are not seeing the whole picture. If a company is listed on the stock market, it is all the people who play the stock market to make money who are also the cause of the problem. Money has become more important than discerning where it comes from. It used to be everyday commodities sold on the hidden black market in the old days, today it is blatant open play with people’s lives that everyone seems to be turning a blind eye to.

Innovation in the form of Uranus sharing Saturn’s house is great, but without Saturn’s limitations and boundaries and the long game, it is nothing but the creation of chaos.

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I mean how govts allowing them to make fortune out of pandemic? If vaccine created for $1, why they not forcing them to sell at max $2 only? Why they not forced to compensate for those who get vaccine injuries?

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Government is the representation of the people. Why are people allowing themselves to be taken advantage of? If last year, the people had not bought into the mega-killing virus theory, had stayed off of the hate and fear creating cycle, there would not have been this money-making business that was born out of that fear.

If people on the stock market stop wanting to make more money than they can possibly spend in this lifetime, if people stop staying in fear and pressuring government to find a cure when the only cure really comes from the inside, the government might be free of all the push and pull, and scientists might feel less pressured to find an overnight cure, and big companies with a long list of stockholders won’t have as much power in their hands.

It all comes down to the common people. What do they want? How much momentum is behind that desire? How and where is that wave going to crash - hard on rough rocks or gently on the soft sand?

Things don’t work in separation. There are many chains linked behind what is obvious. It was the small stone rolling that got the mountain to collapse. 

To undo the damage is to heal the earth, so that she can produce the right ingredients for us to be healthy. To heal the earth is to saying no to everything that damages her. Is that possible? That will depend on what and how much people will be willing to let go, and which direction they decide to go as a collective.

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Common people is Saturn- can get in fear and panic but Government is Sun. 

Sun is having power and intelligence to control effectively unless it's an impaired and bad LA sun. I think that's the case unfortunately.

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Capricorn is the sign of responsibility, not rulership. Mars is exalted there. And it is the sign of an enemy of the Sun.

Capricorn is also the sign opposite that of the Moon. Capricorn is also a feminine sign, which means it is a receptive sign and it will deal with things as they arise.

So, the government will be the Mars type of leadership, where it will do what the general thinks is needed to be done, even if it means enforcing curfew in times of emergencies. Democracy is democracy in times of peace, there is no democracy in times of stress.

The responsibility of the government is to deal with emergency situations the best way they can, and sometimes their best is not the best when taken in a person to person case. In a way, it makes a person utilise the rulership of their own life (Leo) and find innovative ways to survive in any state of emergency (Aquarius).

But the government is only what we are seeing. What is the bigger picture that is happening behind the scenes? What is the universe trying to manifest? What wave is it trying to create? What is the time frame of this wave? Will we, as a collective, be able to reach the threshold of taking charge of our own lives within that time frame?

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If Govt behaves like Mars in Capricorn then they should be able to control vaccine mafias too. They are behaving like Mars in Gemini forcing a strategy which is proving more hurting than benefiting.

What harm is in to compensate for those who suffering vaccine injuries? What harm is in to control vaccine prices? Public won't say, don't do it, there is no such pressure at least. It's in Govt hands and they not doing it means what?

This is an extreme case of vaccine side effects coming immediately. 

https://youtu.be/8aAk36PovnU

Here you see - fully vaccinated catching omicron yet they saying Vaccination must be the best strategy. That's Mars in Gemini.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/health-and-fitness/delta-still-dominant-variant-of-covid-19-in-india-91-omicron-cases-fully-vaccinated-health-ministry-7863001.html/amp

https://m.timesofindia.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/explained-why-are-fully-vaccinated-people-with-no-travel-history-testing-positive-for-omicron/amp_etphotostory/88337542.cms

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@amit 

What you are saying is correct. But since the people have chosen the government, it shows the people’s state of mind, Capricorn being the sign opposite the Moon.

Will the people who have made money on stock markets supporting the vaccine companies be happy to return the money back, so that the government can start enforcing compensation policies? Are people happy not to make money on the stock market, so that the government can start enforcing their power on private companies?

It all comes down to the common people. What the majority believe in is represented by the government. And until the common people live in fear, no government will be strong enough. History is repeated over and over again.

Spreading anger, hate and fear is not a way to deal with governments. The change needs to come from within the people. And that change needs to be done through calmness and peace. Spreading knowledge of ‘health from within’ and their benefits will be much more efficient, although a slow long process, than getting people to rise up in riots and causing them more stress in the process.

We, too, hold Mars within us. Are we wasting his energy unwisely to strike against a giant machinery that will never collapse, or can we use it strategically so that the machinery is ready to change itself?

As Ernst mentioned somewhere, this is a long game. It will take time. That time needs to be used wisely. In the meantime, it’s best to create a helping environment for people who are open to change. In times of war, if Venus starts putting chilly powder on wounds instead of a soothing balm, what use is Venus and its healing power?

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@manisha 

I understand what you are saying but it's a bitter truth which we must be able to hear too. Its not anger or hate, it's just bitter. It's an observation and we must make it. Then awareness will start going up, then people will look for better options. Gandhi taught non cooperation with evil and for that evil should be recognized in order to not cooperate with it else we will continue to live in ignorance.

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True, evil should be recognised, but we should also not feed it any energy. We don’t know what is happening behind the scenes. 

I also agree that it is not right, but it is what it is. The only way to take down a giant is from within, and I am sure the universe is already working on it.

We are all just people caught up in the game. We can’t blame anyone for doing what they are being made to do by the planets. If we recognise what is happening, all we can do is step back and refuse to play the game, be there when others need a helping hand, and let Time take care of the rest. 

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Yeah, its interesting to see what will happen..

New vaccines and boosters will come for new variants, eventually truth will be out soon, 6th monthly or yearly boosters will come.. people will eventually know health needs to be cultivated and can't be traded with vaccines...

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That’s the beauty of Saturn. If it is making people change and stand up for themselves, then what the government is doing is actually working. It just takes time for the effects to take place. And since this is a global issue, it looks like there are some major changes that are coming in.

And of course, the new (Aries) will reach its Zenith (Leo) and then begin it’s downward cycle. Everything changes, and yet everything remains the same.

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Mars feels good when he can act to make the change else it's waiting and starving by rules of Mercury... This can happen 1 out of 3 charts when it's starved by Mercury... God is overlooking how people using Mars... 

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That’s right. Mars feels good when he can act to make change, hence the government takes actions with what information they have available, because if they don’t then it’s Mars being completely oblivious to the battle that is going on.

I am sure the people in the government are aware of what is happening, and their own limitations under this state of emergency. I am sure they too are working this out in their own lives and the lives of their family. Perhaps, they too are looking for that break that everyone deserves.

With our own lives, we can use our Mars to ensure our own health in whatever way we think is right for us. Adding stress to an already stressed life affects the immune system.

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