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Hello everyone, I was just watching Healing Rahu & Ketu - Ketu part and it comes with a question. If a person ends his/her life during the Rahu Ketu maturation period, -I mean without being successful- can it lead a Kala Sarpa Yoga in the chart of next life time? As it means a huge focus on Rahu Ketu?  Thanks!


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I don't think it would be any more likely. I think kalasarpa yoga happens when people need a life with a higher percentage of completing karmas than starting karmas. 


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@ernst 

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I think kalasarpa yoga happens when people need a life with a higher percentage of completing karmas than starting karmas. 

Averaging across all the charts, I can understand as this to be the case.
But for a chart with Kalasarpa Yoga and majority of planets in the quadrant to the right of Rahu, are not all those planets are acquiring new karmas in that life? Please help clarify.

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Those planets are being pushed into new experiences, because of their past karmas. 


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@ernst 

Although we speak of Saturn as the main karmic planet, and also maybe Jupiter in the context of karmic rewards, isn't every single pattern (any planet in any degree, house cusp, rashi or aditya) in the chart indicative of past karma? Otherwise how did the pattern get decided?

Now our life matters because we have some freedom to drop bad karma (heal bad lajjitadivastha, improve dig bala, what else?)

So potentially, either we follow past karma (good or bad), or drop bad karma. I don't think there is a way to drop good karma, right? Dropping good karma also does not make sense from an intelligent/divine design point of view. So human beings can only evolve, is there a notion of us de-evolving? Can we make it worse for ourselves than what is indicated by fate in the chart, if so, how?

And what exactly is the notion of creating new karma, how does that fit in, how does one create a new karma?

I will greatly appreciate your clarification to these concepts, this goes to the heart of relating astrology with spirituality.


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Yes, every planet is the result of karma. So why do we say saturn is karma, when its not really a fully correct thing to say? Some people say it because saturn separates, delays, starves, so karma in the sense of, bad karma. But really, those things are not necessarily bad and often nice to have happen. 

Saturn is, more correctly, karma we are finishing. So saturn with a planet, its a karmic retribution, so this tough karma of not having something is going to be a big theme so you can get done with it. 

Jupiter, on the other hand, delights the planet it is with. Its going to make that planet happy, burn all those good karmas.

These two planets carry more weight; they are heavier planets. So we can say, they are karma, because they are more karmic weight than the other planets. 


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@ernst 

Thank you for the clarification regarding the karmic roles of Jupiter and Saturn, it helps!

My logic says it takes freedom to initiate a karmic cycle, or a causality chain. Otherwise, the situation is under the "clutch of fate", and any happening is just a reaction and part of the existing karmic cycle.

So in our life, we can start a new karma only when we are healing bad lajjitadivasthas (or improving digbala). Because:

  1. When we drop a bad habit to whatever degree (using the space of freedom), the causality chain of that planet is broken by that much amount
  2. We now tap into the good habits of that planet by that much amount more, as an automatic fallback
  3. This creates a fork with a new path leading to a more favorable causal chain regarding that planet (start of new karma).

I am not able to imagine any other mechanism for creating a new karma, given my understanding of the concepts.

Also, it leads me to believe human beings are only capable of evolving, since new karmas of a planet are always based off of a better habit of that planet. We are playing god, so to speak, by creating a new chain of events for ourselves from a space of freedom, we are co-creating a better option (since it is based of a better/good habit) with the universe here. So, there is no notion of de-evolving of a human being in a lifetime?

Please help in digging further into this, as it enables us to grapple with various theories, interpretations, claims presented in the media with no firm logical support.


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WHat you are saying is 100% correct in the context of the conscious mind. However, the unconsciousness is full of stuff and it all has to come out. So more difficult and unpleasant manifestations of what is in the unconscious mind can come out and so it may appear that a person is devolving, but actually, it was already there, it was just hidden. 


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@ernst what triggers the unconscious stuff to come out? Can this be done just through dreaming? Or isnt this one the functions of dreaming?


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@ernst, @karinia

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So more difficult and unpleasant manifestations of what is in the unconscious mind can come out and so it may appear that a person is devolving, but actually, it was already there, it was just hidden. 

I guess this just fate playing out in due course of life, not necessarily in the form of visions or dreams. And, any notion of de-evolving is just fate playing its part, but when the person puts their consciousness to these unconscious parts, they are healing their bad lajjitadivasthas, so they are evolving. Got it, thanks!


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