... also my wife has Jupiter retrograde in Varuna, being the 6th Lord. So yes, she´s a great healer who never condemns anyone. Plus she has Venus in the 4th; always nice for a healer.
My son, who is a unusually loving person, has his Moon there. The other son his Sun, afflicted by Saturn though. Still very nice.
I´m truly privileged.
Staffan
@staffan a lot of Varuna around you- dad, wife, kids. Varuna moon are so sweet ( if good aspects right)!
@ashtangi108 Even my mother has a Varuna Moon, which I have a hard time to understand since I don´t percieve her as very "varunic" at all. Or I underestimate the authenticity of her goodness; there is obviously also other things going on in other adityas. My mother is an enigma to me. I guess that, even though we live in different continents, she´s too close for me for to understand, or even see perhaps.
Staffan
I want to add some more about Varuna here. Over time I'm fine with this, I used to struggle more with it though. It's having 4 personal planets there, in the 12th plus Indra lagna with Ketu conjunct it- sometimes people just avoid me or don't like me. Not often, of course 😉 but seriously, I have little tolerance for people not owning their stuff and others around me feel that. I kind of radiate this energy that says I'm internally content and I own my own pain. At 52 years young I can write this but at age 32 I simply didn't understand it, worried about it and whatnot, why so- and-so might not like me etc .. And now I see that this is just how it is when you have this much power and inner architecture, and that is perfectly okay. 🤣
@ashtangi108 That´s one thing with age and coming to understand yourself, that one day you discover that what´s simple and natural for you is actually a rare gift that most people don´t have, or even can´t appreciate at a distance, since it´s so far from who they are. And then you start to validate your own uniqueness. At one point in my life I even made it my goal be "like most people are", believing that it would help me to find myself. It did not work out very well; I wrecked a marriage and a woman´s life, although she was very helpful in that process, and ended up on another continent just to get free........
Having Ketu there really helps, don´t you think? I have it in my afflicted 5th Vishnu house, and for sure, it´s part of the shaming of Jupiter, but it also takes the edge away from many of the effects I think. Thoughts on that? Ju/Ke represents, after all, wisdom, so I guess it explains why my bad Vishnu house didn´t derail completely. Now don´t get it right: It DID derail. Just not completely, as said.
Staffan
@staffan Isn't that the same story Ernst said about Dhata with Jupiter and Mars inside, because Jupiter and Mars usually help each other.
@staffan I believe you nailed aging with wisdom. Stated so eloquently. If we knew these things before, would our karmas have still unfolded the same way?
@ashtangi108 I feel the same I have ketu in Indra also. I wish I knew that sooner. When Ernst was teaching about Ketu in Cancer in the healing Rahu course, I strongly attached to the leader part of Cancer even if it was a motherly type leadership. With Indra now I feel it describes me in a much better way. And since it's ketu there we probably don't even notice it but others see it quite well. With so many strong Aditya, I often felt like I was overdoing it, that it was just ego and I wasn't real. Because very few people could keep up with me, like what you said about your skills for example and the strong detachment at the same time. I often felt like I was leaving others behind because I would learn so many things at the same time. Isn't the leaving part just the fast growth of this Aditya, others see that as leaving, maybe what we do is just growing faster.
@lorris I haven´t taken the whole course yet; cherry picking my "own" adityas right now. Indra is going to be very interesting though since my eldest son has Su/Me/Ve there, and it´s my daughters lagna.
I´ll probably come back wit some reflection later when I have finished listening to all the videos.
Staffan
@staffan when you're listening to the people you know well, who don't have your Adityas you will also have jaw dropping moments. This stuff is superb
@lorris & Staffan:
I do like that take on it, absolutely, you summed it up nicely. Always learning...
Strong Indra- I love it. With Indra lagna and rahu there conjunct it- -->My former boss, a psychoanalyst once said to me " You didn't grow up shamed, did you?" Hahaha! Will be fascinated to hear what Ernst says about the lords and whatnot and how he reads and spins the chart with the Adityas.
Staffan How old is your son? The Indra strong child?
Also yes- I'm always learning from Ernst and right now I've just started a Sleep Medicine fellowship training, "on the side " and am enrolled in a yoga teacher training with my movement and hatha teacher who is literally 12 to 15 hours different in time zones, so I wake up at 3am to study with him at times. I'll quit learning when I'm dead ( but, we don't die). But now don't recall if that's Varuna or Indra. Considering making a chart or table with the main Aditya characteristics if someone hasn't already done that?...
@ashtangi108 The dusk and dawn focus is Varuna I believe.
My son recently turned 19. Finished high school, engineering program, in June and is now taking a year off, invited to work as a mechanic in a beloved uncle´s (on his mother´s side) own firm in Chile. I´m SO happy that another man that I deeply respect is going to fill in the gaps that I left as a father. I love this uncle and consider him one of my best friends. Then he - my son - wants to study music for a year, probably jazz. He plays the drums and the piano. And thinks that he´s going to study engineering at some university for 5 years after that, but personally I doubt it. Life is too rich and interesting for him, I believe. We´ll see. On both sides, mine as well as his mother´s, our ancestor´s were plain and simple people from the countryside, basically rural working class or small independent peasants, so there is very little pressure on him to "become" something.
And yes - back to your post - such a table would be very helpful, in case you are willing to share it. It could also be a joint project. Alhtough it´s all in the manual I suppose; although not in a destilled form.
Staffan
@staffan your son is blessed to have you as a dad. Understanding your kids and accepting them as they are- best way we can parent I think. I should try to get a file like that started as an accessible excel file on the internet unless Ernst already has one. Will wait for him to chime in.
@ashtangi108 Update on my Moon in Varuna son. Turns out that he has Jupiter alone in Amsha, 8th house. A wonderful placement, of course, gives him a good foundation of selflove and a jovial outlook on the world. But the 8th house - he´s currently in Rahu dasa as said, and doesn´t want to know anything about astrology or similar things. Yet he has a knack for spirituality and an instant, intuitive understanding. Since he´s into science and technology etc, it´s been hard for me to grasp that he doesn´t see a conflict between the worldly view and the spiritual, like I almost apologize for my spiritual experiences, but to him there is no conflict and he takes it very naturally. He´s just not into spirituality, which I of course respect. When he goes into Jupiter dasha around 27 years of age, I guess he´s going to be fed up with the world and will embrace it more actively.
And then his three planets in Indra... Sun, Venus and Mercury. He really surprised me as a kid, two or three years old, when he thought we should get a jeep or a similar vehicle and install a machine gun on the roof, and run around killing bad people. Not people that had mothers and fathers though... He was such an incredible sweet and nice boy that it really took me off guard; he was so small though that it was hard to get upset. I guess he saw the "bad people" as asuras, more or less. But there Indra really shone through, I guess. And a few years later, when we played "Risk" and he lost, he took it really hard, like a young Napoleon having lost his illusions about taking over the world. So it´s there... As I already said: I doubt he´s capable of enduring 5 or 6 years of grinding through a engineering programm at university, only to risk getting caught up in the corporate grind; he would have to find a field that he´s really passionate about for to do that, I think. He´s into piloting and was flying gliders for a while (8 of Clubs, the leaf that has left the branch...), and I´ve suggested that he should get a pilot license (already told this in another thread, I´m sorry if it´s repetition) and get a job piloting a small aircraft between some distant islands somewhere, playing music at the hotel´s porch at night... He doesn´t seem to take my plans seriously though, haha. Which he of course shouldn´t. But I think he´s doomed to have a rather roving life, 8 of clubs doesn´t like longterm projects neither. Doing fun stuff.
Here´s a story about the cows of abundance - we both have Varuna, I have Vishnu and he has Indra - and the capacity for manifesting things. Plus Tvastha. When he was 14, before him moving to my parents in Sweden, we went to the States for to improve his English and bond for a few months before him leaving the nest. We went to a hobby farm in Wisconsin. First task, late February: shoveling dung. So there I was, shoveling dung with my kid, late afternoon, late winter or early spring. Cold, crystal clear air, the afternoon Sun shining through the woods, and I felt our ancestors´presence. This they had being doing countless hours and days, with the difference that we did it because we wanted, only for a couple of hours and with good food and a cosy family home waiting for us at the end of the day. I asked myself: What would I change in this situation, what more could I ask for? Nothing! I realized it was a perfect moment, bonding with my son and my ancestors, introducing him to what was basically family tradition: shoveling dung. A Tvastha moment for sure. A couple of months later I told the family I wanted to visit Chicago, just for to give my son the experience. "Sure", our hostess said, "you can take the Honda!" (she didn´t even charge me for the automatically generated road fees later) and: "a friend of ours has a nice apartment in Chicago and he´s not at home, you can probably stay there". Said and done. When we arrived my jaws dropped. It turned out that the apartment was situated not more than 200 meters from the Lake shore and with a view towards the lake! Sheraton was in front of it; Hyatt at the side didn´t have the same view, because "our" house was in the way! There we stayed for free for three full nights, only paying for the parking. Like: having been grateful for shoveling dung, and being payed with a golden ticket like a free stay in the fanciest hotel district of Chicago. The last morning in Chicago I was meditating in the living room, the grandfather Sun beaming in directly from the lake, telling me: "Stop hiding behind your kids´need, learn to accept abundance for yourself!" (I had kept telling myself and probable others that I didn´t care for Chicago, this was just for my kid; shamed Jupiter in Vishnu, blocked abundance consciousness). Just saying.
The adityas... What an adventure we have just begun!
Staffan
@ashtangi108 I wonder if literally it doesn't mean something though. Vasishta died 3 times. But he didn't lose his memory. I wonder if we don't have this ability maybe to remember our past life, not directly though. But when I started learning IT, I felt I wasn't really learning it, that it was just there. Food for thought. Watch the 5 element, it will stuck in your mind the memory that you died 3 times 🤣 , you lost your body I mean. You didn't really died. Maybe it's detachment from the body, like you don't really care about it, consciousness is better. Watch this https://youtu.be/rgRUraJK_iw?si=55TXAOxTqo9GzXDO&t=271 She has the moon and Mars there in the 12th house, this is the Vasistha rishi in a movie, it directly manifest in the story, it's that awesome 😍
@lorris Moon and Mars in the 12th I love it with the child like love of simple things. She's so beautiful too. Maybe you're onto something about things coming easy due to the conscious awareness factor, I do prefer a still mind to the learning mind, but will say a learning mind is an upgrade over a gossiping or negative mind. All of which I'm certainly capable. I'm extremely envious of my partner's absolute lack of propensity to ever gossip, at. All. It's really admirable- he has strong Pusha.
@lorris Can´t go down this rabbit hole right now, I´m too busy getting through the Aditya course at the moment. But let me tell you that Scarlett Johansson in Lucy - also Luc Besson - has Mo/Ke/Sa in her 12th. In the movie she got seriously violated but overcome it and grew immensely in consciousness through the experience, until basically become enlightened, or even turn into God.
I don´t know if there is an aditya theme there, I just found it interesting in comparison to your observation of Milla Jovovich.
Staffan
@staffan I think in Scarlett case it's due to Amshu Aditya. The enlightened part seems to come from a drug. In others movies she plays there is also drug theme there, addiction to a substance. In think it prevents her from seeing the best light in herself, so she not a friend to all, the opposite Aditya where Rahu is. So the fight is between the 6th and 12th house in the Amshu and Mitra Aditya. Often there is a theme of artificial intelligence between the 6th and 12th, you can see that in Terminator Movies with Arnold playing the Slave/robot controlled by a secret government, here the secret government is the 12th house. I think her enlightenment here is causing more problems than solution on earth (6th house), hence why her Amshu is hurt here it seems.
I have a more simple example of Amshu in Dragon Ball Z though, with San goku seing the best light of others in his enemies, Vegeta, then Freezer or Piccolo. So Basically he is able to see the best light in others and in himself, so he becomes a super hero, while benefiting others, so others can becomes super hero also. It's being a long time I saw that movie with Lucy but I think in the end it's not that great from what I remember. In many movies it seems she can't see that light in the end. In another movie she play an actress, which is basically her own role. And she divorced her husband because he cheats, but she refuse it seems to move on, her husband in that movie has the moon in Taurus but also some trouble in Amshu Sun Saturn there (Adam driver). There is a theme to use the law to get her way, 6th house, or beating her physical enemies so she don't need to look inside herself, that Amshu adityas with ketu Moon Saturn. That's the best interpretation I could come up with but probably there is more details there, maybe Ernst can chime in on that. Or we will discover more later on when get better at reading the Adityas.
But in the DBZ story Son Goku being ahead of others seem to be the Sun in Amshu, while Vegeta gets there but he is delayed because he has Rahu Jupiter in Amshu, Jupiter delays his transformations into a better light (super Sayan) but Jupiter being strong in Amshu he is still able to see others light in the end and his own. Also his conjunction of Saturn Mars in Bhaga makes hims overwork super hard to accomplish his vision of the best, and he often train alone, doesn't like to be helped by others but it's also probably his ability to concentrate in his goals and never let go.
@lorris Haven´t done Amshu yet so I lack the instruments for to understand much of what you say. Yet. But souds really interesting. This is profound stuff, it´s like the astrology of the deeper motivation, right? Even the Lajjitaadi avasthas seems like superficial wounds in comparison.
Staffan
@staffan Yeah I agree it's quite something. I spent the day thinking about the Tvasta Dahta axis. The terminators 3 movies got many examples of that. With the 2 main actors having huge problems in the Virgo axis, both born when Rahu Saturn was in Virgo. The actor that plays John connor here seems to not like the machines, and he has a trashed Virgo with Jupiter mars on top. While in the terminator 2 he has mercury only in Tvasta (John younger version) and he does like those machines, even if they aren't perfect. I think the Dahta axis is quite fascinating because it's the Magma that create those Machine to take form it seems in Tvasta. In the 3rd movie the actress John's wife has Venus and mercury in Pisces, with ketu, her dad was in the Military in the program that created Skynet. Many theme like that with Dhata axis are mind blowing. This includes the stories in DBZ also, for example Freezer has a strong affinity with his father, they use a lot of transport to colonize the Galaxy. But he destroys planets, so the mother earth, he has shame with rahu in the Dhata Axis. So Dhata being a support of everything is not easy to get around as it is literally the earth itself.
@lorris Wow, wait, how is that, that Dhata is Earth itself?
As said, AK Moon in the 4th so I´m devoted to mother Earth, mostly in her Mexican version Virgencita de Guadalupe, which is an adapted (to catholicism/colonialism) of the old native Earth godess Tonantzin.
And Venus is my lighthouse, healthy in the 9th, the only auspicious planet for Gemini lagna. I´m big on mother Earth! 🙂
Staffan
@staffan Read what Ernst said on Dhata in the PDF, Dhata is everything, created everything, Agni is everything. I think I could be wrong but in that music with Black Jack when he destroy wires in order to sing, that's his Moon Rahu in Dhata, he is overly excited and don't fully treat earth correctly. Son goku voice actress has Saturn in Dhata, his native planet was destroyed by Freezer, no support from earth, the planet he was born on. Freezer destroyed it. I think it makes sense that this could be it. Also Son goku doesn't like to use computer or doesn't know how to use them properly, this can be Saturn in Pisces. The earth provide also the current from electricity. My father has ketu in Pisces, he often talk about earth current while talking about electricity, it often comes up in his language, he is passionate about that. So it seems it can manifest in many ways. I think in card of truth this could be like the Ace of spade, the fire of earth.
@lorris Rock n´roll changed over time, it started like a fairly joyful and swinging kind of music, optimistic although it carried this rebellious energy too, against the father of law, but in a playful way. Later it turned into this 4/4, steady march, no different to any marching army, not teasing the father of law anymore but overcoming it in wrath. And it´s so funny, because those same artists that carries that angry rebellion, also adores them with very feminine attributes like curly hair, necklaces and stuff; the typical heavy metal attributes, which often are the same as old urban ladies use; purple hair etc. So it seems to carry a feminine rage; like the Father oppressed the mother and now the Son comes out in a furious form carrying his mother´s rage. They also often use falsetto; we have this Swedish heavy metal singer for example, Tommy Johansson and also Erik Grönwall, singing many female songs at least as good as any female singer. But back to heavy metal and the Earth; it does rebel against the father´s law indeed, but it repeats the dominant pattern. The playfulness is only allowed in the superficial decoration, the guitar solos, but the rhythm is industrialized, steady, a 4/4 marching, which in no way honors mother Earth but rather reminds of the bulldozers that the RR is supposingly rebelling against. It´s the usual pattern: the snake eating it´s tale or the revolutionary becoming a tyrant.
Now - I haven´t seen the Jack Black movie, but I guess his take on the whole theme is humoristic? That should change everything quite a bit.
Just how my Moon in the 4th/Tvastha sees it... Nothing right or wrong here, only different perspectives.
Staffan
"Now - I haven´t seen the Jack Black movie, but I guess his take on the whole theme is humoristic? That should change everything quite a bit." Yeah exactly like in his songs, he doesn't change much in the movies. Rahu moon in Pisces.
@staffan I think you nailed it here. That's also Richard Bandler story. He was using his hair as a way to rebel. He has Sun in Pisces, Saturn in Virgo, he was also into music, probably rock also but I don't remember exactly. I think I just discovered something huge with Khandava forest burning in the San Goku story. And it's linked to bulma getting Son Goku out of his forest (first episode), his circle of love seems to be linked to that forest he lived in. But he also transform in to a huge monster and destroy his earth, could be a hint to burning the forest. But that huge transformation seems to be the reason he wasn't living with normal human beings. So he was an overprotected child in a way. Until Bulma got him out of his forest. That's when bulma step in and wants the wish granting dragon balls , Rahu in virgo the divine cow she is attracted to. She use computer technology to find them. The voice actress has ketu Venus mercury there in Dhata (also that Sun in Aryama makes her a fine compagon for Son Goku). Also another strange story about Goku is that where ever he goes planets gets destroy, but not because of him directly but he himself say at one point he prefer to die because he attracts strong enemies. But even when he died he was still bringing death and destruction. "Those connected with the statues of Dhata and Vidahta indicated the destruction of the world" That could also be the reason why there is a theme of destruction in Terminators movies. In the 3rd movie with those actor born in 1978 that's I think the only movie the destruction actually happened in the movie directly, toward the end when they bombs are drop by Skynet.
@lorris Please remind me; the burning of the forest, is that part of the Tvashsta myth?
About Rock´n´roll again. It started out as Rock AND roll, it was rockabilly back then; sexy hip movements and all that. The "roll" part was joyful. It was sexual. It later became only "rock". Full of ornaments, especially on the guitar, that rockabilly didn´t have. Like a distraction, something superficial. Rock´n´roll and rock are two very different expressions, I believe.
Staffan
@staffan Dhata, Agni fire, connected to dhata. The weapon used by Arjuna is from Varuna though, if I remember correctly.
@lorris I will have to listen to those videos at least a couple of times, and take notes. The manual doesn´t give any schematic knowledge neither, it´s another crazy journey down the rabbit hole. Not that I don´t love it, but it would be nice to have a floating device in form of a more schematic and structured text. I guess I´ll have to do it on my own.
Just looked at the Milla video by the way, and she´s truly something extraordinary. You can feel how she was alined with her own essence being Leeloo for a year. And she doesn´t give the impression of having lost it. She embodies a very rare combination of absolute sensuality, sexuality, with innocence, similar to what Marilyn Monroe did but more innocent, Milla is not even teasing you, personally I feel absolute attraction without any sensation of lust nor depravation. Nudity but no sin. She seems pure. I hope I´m right, but I´m realize that she´s still human.
Staffan