Well you have done it again Ernst. I think these Adityas are the most fascinating things to learn, they blow "sun sign" astrology to bits. Four planets in Varuna in the 12th house here, and an Aryama Moon. Consciousness is everything and without it I would dry on the vine! There is simply no life for me without the evolution of awareness. Intolerable to think of not growing, evolving, churning the ocean. From the perspective of Sun/Mer/Ve/Sat all in Varuna, I would not trade my incarnation for another- I'm so grateful for it and love every second of this life. Delighted mars in dhata must help somehow, or my almost full, but waning Aryama Moon ( tightly opposed to Pluto) I have to give everything up every day internally to God, and so much love and happiness flows from this vantage point. It's been lonely at times but I have met others like me, and I just sink back to the still point for guidance and cling to that, instead of Venusian things which easily present themselves, like guilded lilies of the world ( well hahah sometimes they have gotten too much in the way of course not to imply lack of " bad " by having Ve in this one, it certainly could be described that way, but in the LA sense of well, maybe the Ve is too much and I have to see it like trying to swim in a vat of sugar water some days, but not all the time by any means ) . Speaking of which, I loved listening to you describe the capacity of Vasistha to create and manifest. I've been working on teaching this process to my boys, ages 9 and 11, through the Silva method this month ( which hones in on getting into the alpha state at dawn and dusk to manifest positive changes in life, for those here not familiar with it) , then listened to you yesterday and thought : now, nobody ever has seen this in my stars. How wonderful! Thank you Ernst. This work is outstanding and must be shared more and more. People need to know of these Adityas. I think of them as the true solar astrology now.
It's so good I have to forced myself to not listen to every video so I can keep track of everything. At this point I'm almost ready to throw out tropical zodiac (I'm probably too excited here, I couldn't sleep after watching that video on Varuna). I think it's good thing that you can't put out so many video, it help me at least to get grounded on it before watching so many video. Just in the first 10min on Varuna there is much information there.
My baby has sara yoga that ends with a benefic Moon in Varuna. It sounds like it will help him. Ernst has covered all of his Adityas now 😁
@karinia congratulations on your baby!
I want to add a PS here about the nature of having venus in veruna, with both good and bad--both delighted and (agitated and) starved, stacked up with Mercury and Sa and Sun,. So I'm listening today to Ernst talk about the law of the rishis for atri and vasistha rishis, and so excited to drop in, when suddenly... Completely distracted by how awesome Ernst's t-shirt is. Thinking:. I want to buy that shirt. How can I find out where he bought it? I wonder if the proceeds go to a good cause? Would I wear it? Maybe I should get it for my husband, so I could see it on him since I won't ever wear it.... Reel brain back to listening to the more important data points. Hahaha! It is like swimming in a vat of sugar sometimes.
Just listened to the Varuna video, and wow, what you say about people with afflicted Varuna... My father has five planets there; Sun, Moon and all the three adult planets; shamed through lordship since Rahu is in Gemini (if that´s at all appliable in this system). What you describe is e x a c t l y how I percieve him, and has percieved him already since I was a kid; a person with great capacity for love, you want to hug him - until he completely betrays you, backstabs you and show a cruel side that you would never expect. You chose the word dangerous, and that is precisely how I percieve him. Spot on!
Staffan
Shamed planets here certainly makes it dangerous. I think the moon and rahu alongwith the other planets in your father's case are making it more difficult.
But, when Ernst mentioned in the video, I thought he was more alluding to dangerous because it has far too much force to manifest, which means a clean non wounded consciousness is a necessity, no longer a choice. And that is not easy in this human form, so they have to get into the realm of consciousness.
I have 4 planets, and in the 6th, luckily no Saturn there, but I still have got into trouble with health due to the starved avasthas, but a good mercury there And somehow a strong consciousness of "I will heal no matter what" has saved me.
One thing I can say for sure is, what is in your consciousness manifests is very true. So, meditation practices is critical for this sign. I have not yet worked with the method Ernst suggested of working the consciousness during sleep and wake-up, will try and then see how it goes.
@jam1 OK, I understood his words clearly as a warning that the love the loving nature that clearly emanates from them may make you to underestimate the harm they are also capable of causing, due to the bad avasthas that they may also have. Just as I described the way I percieve my father: he seems really innocent, really goodhearted, but also has a cruel and decietful sight. The harm he causes in relations is so much bigger when his authentic goodness makes you lower the gard.
As for your 6th house: good thing you intuitivly have been able to realize that your mind has a huge impact on your health and capacity for healing, more than most people.
I´m listening to the video on Vishnu now, and it´s really interesting how those two adityas are related, especially since they are in trine positions. It´s also about the capacity for manifestation. My Lagna is in Varuna and my strongest aditya is Vishnu, having Ju/Ke/Ma there. Work a lot through hymns and chanting, and it really works for me. Mars is my 6th lord, it loves being there healing through sounds and mantras, or words that works as mantras (mainly traditional Lakota healing songs). The other day I felt a minor pain in my stomach and managed to wrap it up in my mind. A few seconds later I farted, and the pain was gone! A new road to investigate, wrapping up the physical, but also emotional, pain in my mind, or through emotions directed by the mind.
I also identify with the dark side of that aditya; not that I have tried to steal someone´s money, but my first marriage was a very toxic relation build on codependence, which is a form of control. After that dependencies, mainly I was a sex addict and a workaholic for several years. But that´s another story.
Staffan
@staffan as a 4 planet in Varuna person who has tried not to live a life of backstabbing, I want to tell you I totally see what you are talking about. Lucky for me, I have Jupiter in Parjanya and a pretty healthy Aryama moon. So, I have good aspects to my 12th house Varuna party. This has helped tremendously over the years as I have a past where, let me tell it like it is- I was a serial monogamist and would leave my partners after a year or two. They would be so confused. I was just ready to move on. Good people, no real problems, I was the problem in that they would be in love and ready to pop the question, get married, I was like "nope- next!"
Now, that was over twenty years ago, because, like I said, I have Guru Brihaspati and a healthy moon to help me keep growing up (keep growing -Parjanya Jupiter).
Also, I have been too slippery and loose in my speech in the past. I was paid extremely well to be an administrator for the Department of Veterans' affairs until somewhat recently, when I saw that the changes in the Executive branch of the US Govt that would likely come about- and have come about actually- would place me in a role of Stormtrooper & I wasn't comfortable with that so, I dropped the job. But what I am telling you is, I was skilled at the art of administration, which involves being slick and smooth with words. And that's ok, it is what it is, BUT gotta be careful of that because it can at times be perceived as backstabbing and/or untrustworthy. I was in a position where I saw myself as a female Robinhood of sorts, protecting and helping employees who were trying do good things and get good things done, but the ones who were abusing the system, did not like me. They did not trust me and likely should not have because I was good at making them feel warmth from me and then I would (alone or with the Union to represent them) get them to essentially say in their own words how they would abuse the system in order to get paid to do as little work as possible. I am quite sure these folks saw me as backstabbing and untrustworthy, and in many ways, I was to them. Trying to give you an example of taking a potentially shady part of these aspects and twisting it about for good. Which is congruent with the aspects not being so bad really, healthy mars, moon and some delighted planetary energy as well. I will tell you that nothing like self- awareness and self- growth to try and attenuate the potentially negative capacities of the LA, which tend to get better over time if you have the aspects for it. 🙂 I believe that the love that comes from Varuna is so legit, and I feel deep appreciation that I get to embody it so much. That said, it is a LOT to handle. The moods can be intense if the body is not managed right. Thank you for your comments Staffan.
I want to add that regarding that job as an administrator which I had- I rarely had to get people to admit their slack ways because I would try to 1st confront them and smother them with acceptance, which goes very far in changing a person around you. It works 9/10 times.
@ashtangi108 Very interesting. Right now what you say gets entangled with what I just heard about the Vishnu aditya, that is shares so many themes and tendencies with, remembering what Ernst tells about the fear of scarcity and need for control of that adityia, and it makes me wonder - do you have important influences by Vishnu too? Anyway, although it probably sucks at immediate and worthly plane, it sounds like a good thing for your development and stepping into true abundance, that you dared to give up that position. Must have been draining in some way; I mean you directly or indirectly describes it as dependency and it sounds as if you could not act as you felt that you should. My interepretation of what you are saying; maybe I´m reading between the lines.
These two adityas, and Varuna even more than Vishnu probably, gives so much power, like true magic power, the power of manifestation, which means it also comes with great responsability. Ernst says about Varuna that it seems to be less charged with karma than other adityas, making it possible for the Varuna person to make swift changes more than others. But if it´s afflicted, I guess it also presents greater opportunity for to create bad karma, since you may also manifest bad things. So it´s really an aditya - or both are; Vishnu too - to keep a keen eye on, just as Ernst says, while reading people´s charts; they can make us or break us, spiritually speaking, it seems.
I´m really speaking out of my own experience here. I was on a bad path, harming people and very resentful; now life has given me a chance to direct that energy in healthy ways.
As i said, my lagna is in Varuna and Ju/Ke/Ma in Vishnu; my wife has Jupiter in her 9th house - karaka for marriage in the marriage house - which is also Varuna; her lagna/Moon and Rahu falls in Vishnu. Her DK in Tvasta in which my AK Moon falls, my DK is Jupiter; falls at her Lagna and Moon. Fun how it works.
Staffan
@staffan now that's a fated marriage Staffan. Fated! No, I have no significant Visnu, but do have Pluto there. It is in a tight opposition to my moon very tight, Aryama Moon. I have worked as a forensic psychiatrist and interviewed many criminals. I always attributed my work with these folks to my Pluto- moon opposition and four personal planets in the 12th house. Since Pluto isn't personal, I don't think I'd go so far as to say I've got significant Visnu. I do think it influences my moon as far as capacity to see nefarious energy and not flinch externally. Perhaps I'm judging inside but, also seeing the person as a whole.
Also regarding what you said about the challenges of stepping away from such a lucrative role ....actually, it wasn't that challenging, because I was never going to get attached to that job. It had a fancy title and garnered a lot of " respect" in the worldly realms of prestige and status but I was actually never really attached to it so... stepping down felt natural when it was time, I don't hang into that stuff, it's a toxic misinterpretation of what life is about to do so, in my opinion. I'm very deeply rooted in my yoga practice above everything else, that job was a householder means to an end. It bizarrely gave me more time to spend with my kids than a " regular" doctor job, but was strangely extremely busy ( 5 of clubs no big deal). Leaving it felt amazing. I'm currently making half as much income but have plans to recoup sooner and not later. It will be ok.
My son has Varuna moon, applying to and less than two degrees from my sun, we are so very close. My other son has two personal planets in Varuna conjunct mine, also mega close. I'd die for these two creatures and love being their mom in a fierce way. My son with the Varuna moon is an empath, an emotional teddy bear. He radiates empathy and is quiet until you get to know him well.
@ashtangi108 I know I know, haha, maybe you read one of my previous comments, if not: I have a Varuna Moon son too, and honestly, he has the qualities of a saint. His younger brother has his Sun in Varuna. Very nice people to have in one´s life. 🙂
Remembering what Ernst says about not being judgmental when you have Varuna energy flowing through you; I guess you were the right person for that forensic role. Meeting a person with that quality in such a person can break or make a person, I guess. One person that listens and doesn´t judge. So very important.
Staffan
@staffan well it's weird. I once listened to a murderer recount a gruesome murder & attempted murder he committed against this lovely elderly couple whom he had met when they gave him work as a gardener. I saved his chart he had a number of planets in Vishnu Aditya, mars there and I don't recall what else with it. The thing that struck me about the whole interview that I just went home and pondered on the most was how he got up that morning, he made his 5-year-old ramen noodles for breakfast, got his 5-year-old off to school, and then went out with his buddy whom he convinced to tag along... and left two people for dead. He went on to go on a bit of a murder spree before he was caught. I couldn't stop thinking about how serial killers have families too. I was also thinking about his kid who got noodles for breakfast that morning from his dad, and then didn't see his dad anymore until he had been arrested and was in jail. I was sad for his kid. I was also convinced I'd never hire someone who just knocks on my door looking for yard work. I also sat there that day thinking about the Buddhist teachings on compassion. The elderly man survived and his wife died. I was thinking how it's harder for me to have as much compassion for the murderous man, who clearly lacked empathy for people outside his family, but I didn't really judge him so much as observe him. I had more natural empathy for the child and the man who survived but lost his wife. I felt sorry for the murderer for being so devoid of empathy but would not go so far as to say I had compassion for him at the time. But I had the ability to hold myself where I was with him, and see that for what it is. He did not make me flinch. Just see him.
I do think, Varuna without self awareness could be scary. Or perhaps extremely shallow.
Once my client died, she was likely killed by her ex boyfriend, she was last seen with him going into a hotel, the room was found bloody and she was never seen again. I was the overnight manager of a halfway house for recovering cocaine addicted women ( this was before becoming a doctor). The client went MIA from the rehab house the same evening a younger client ran away and relapsed on crack. I had a certain level of identification with the younger client, she was also from the affluent middle class and she dressed in similar clothing as I did, etc. All I could do the morning I realized that the younger was gone mia out smoking crack, and the older likely dead, was look deep into myself and wonder why I had more feelings of upset about the younger being out on a binge- while the older was likely dead. I was in a state of deep scrutiny over my lack of sensible feelings about the situation. I believe this exemplifies veruna in action. I have a deep awareness of my emotional states, both the sensical and nonsensical ones and I think it extends to accepting others, although I don't invite many into my home.
And you're right about karma and magic. There is an escape velocity many with Varuna strong can tap into, it's a boon.
@ashtangi108 I have my moon and Mars in Varuna in the 2nd. I have often been judged as either a loving saint that accept anyone or someone who doesn't have a heart because I can also retract completely from anyone presence and not say one word for a very very long time. At school people would feel the same, I could be the most interesting person in the room or completely retract in my inner world (what most people see as double face in the tropical sign). Also when you see truth and other don't, they can judge you. Because they don't know what's happening and you do faster, a lot faster, at least when Varuna is sane. Like when I watched on TV the world trade centre at age 12 collapsing I knew something wasn't right, I was only 12. Also I think many people don't like and judge the Sign of the zodiac because you can leave anytime you want, without any attachment almost. This detachment is a very strong weapon, I have seen that in action from my Ex, it's very difficult to handle even for me. Even when afflicted, I know a few with affliction there, they can pretend or at least manage something and not care in the slightest. I think they do care though but Varuna can manage it's emotions so well that most people and even a strong Varuna can get wrap up in it. Someone that can be happy all the time even in the worst situation, even in the worst moment of someone's life, I guess it can create a strong imprint. I think it's so powerful that indeed others can see something devilish inside it. I think the strong ability to accept anything as ok can make your relatives judge you, while you don't, at least not as much.
@staffan you know my son w the early Varuna moon, I agree his inner qualities are saint like. He is so sensitive and sweet. We are lucky.
yeah, Ernst mentioned that trines are very related!
Got it, yeah, afflictions of shame here with that force can be truly dangerous!
@jam1 Do you know if we still work with lordships, the same way as in the rasi chart? If that is so, the lord of my stuck Vishnu is in good dignity in the aditya of unstuckness, Parjanya. Quite a trine, if that is so.
Staffan