Hey Ernst and Everyone,
I was curious about how people go about advising clients with a final dispositer, especially when it comes to Lajjitaadi Avasthas and Rahu/Ketu development. Since the entire chart runs through the Planets/Sign/House of the Final dispositer, does that mean it is best to use the planets/house/sign when healing your other Avasthas or developing your Rahu/Ketu Axis? Does it strongly affect the way you would advise most clients who don't have a final dispositer?
I remember Ernst saying that Paramahansa Yogananda had his final dispositer Mars conjunct Jupiter in Aries 9th house. So does this mean that becoming a Guru and using his will, spirituality, and inspirations were the main ways he was meant to develop his chart? Through the symbolic significations of Mars/Jupiter/9th house/Aries, Yogananda could heal his bad Avasthas and move towards his Rahu?
When the final dispositor is just one planet there is the advantage that that one planet can benefit all the other planets, unless it somehow becomes badly starved or shamed. So that's a part of them that raises up the other parts. So for Yogananda the final dispositor a delighted 9th lord in 9th indicates that his spirituality raises the rest of his planets.
Thank you, I appreciate it. So, when I'm advising/counseling someone about their astrological chart (with a Final Dispositer), it's best to focus on the house of the final dispositer? For example, if someone had a final dispositer in the 3rd house, I could tell them that "every aspect of your life will improve and be elevated if you focus on the 3rd house things (Intellect, Learning, Will, Courage, teammates, siblings etc...).
Therefore, I am assuming that the house holding the Final Dispositer is an area of life that they should focus on and develop, because it will give the best results, like with Yogananda and the 9th house. I'm also assuming that the Lajjitaadi Avasthas of the Final Dispositer and any planets with it are the most important in the chart. Would you mind letting me know if I'm on the right track, thank you.
I have Jupiter as my final dispositor in 6th house, Pisces.
I am a software engineer by profession, and I pretty much look at everything from the lens of problem solving. Even life itself, I consider as the problem of solving our bad lajjitadivasthas. I tend to be Jupitarian in my thinking at a foundational level (looking for the biggest possible picture as the driver of thought process etc.,). I often ask myself if I don't know how the big-bang happened or what created it, how I can take anything seriously, since I don't know the source of what I am perceiving.
Coming to the point raised in your post, I am not sure if I have the freewill to focus on my 6th house. Consciously I try to remind myself of the 3rd house (Sagittarius), since I have Rahu there, as I have a huge tendency to be doing 9th house Gemini things (spirituality, spiritual guru teachings, singing -- my 2nd lord there with Ketu, talking about concepts, dual/twin projects, hopeless romantic -- 7th lord there etc.,)
Since Ketu maturity, I have been finding myself in the 3rd house a lot, I literally have felt as if being pushed out of the castle into the jungle. Btw, I have Ketu's lord conjunct Jupiter in my sixth house.
I am curious to learn more and discuss sole final dispositor stuff, as it helps me to understand myself!
Anand
@anand ,
Thank you for sharing my friend. Interesting that you have the lord of Rahu and Ketu together in your 6th Pisces which I'm guessing has helped you move towards your Rahu. Especially, since the lord of Rahu is your final Dispositer.
What have you found yourself doing in your 3rd house, Sagittarius since your Ketu maturation? Have you had to experiment a lot and work with others?
Sure, thank you for starting this topic, it resonates with me! My experiences since Ketu maturity has been akin to a 18 year old leaving their parents house and dealing with the real world all by themselves....
Moved to a suburban area with plenty of green from an urban setting, and had to face a phobia of having some wildlife around (It did feel like castle to jungle kind of move). Stepped out of a company, a management I worked for 17 years, and getting the experience of being on my own, given that the people I worked for treated their employees like family, currently practically working on a personal project which was just a concept in my head for many years. stuff like that!
I have Saturn final dispositor in 8th with Mercury (1st lord). Rahu conjunct Venus in 9th also ruled by Saturn. Waning Moon starves Saturn and Mercury from the 5th. Exalted Jupiter opposite in 2nd (rules 7th and 10th). Improving my Moon has been a major theme throughout life but I didn’t see a huge improvement until my Mercury maturation during Jupiter dasa in which I had a “kundalini awakening” after I started meditating. I think the awakening was a blessing by Jupiter because it happened the 2nd or 3rd time I tried meditating. And there is some confusion around it which is likely from Rahu in the 9th. I think the maturation of the grahas has a lot to say on timing but certainly my attempt at working on my starvation initiated it. I would love to learn more about the 8th because it was such an unbelievably positive transformation for me (I was in a blissful state off/on for several months as I healed and I experienced psychic and miraculous events) and I still have Saturn and Rahu maturations to look forward to. But the 8th is considered dreadful even.
I would like to share my understanding of the 8th house here. I think of 8th house as the evolution channel from "idea of separate existence from the infinite ocean of consciousness" to "merging back to the infinite ocean of consciousness".
Rest of the houses support this journey in various ways, but the 8th houses the core engine for this movement. So, naturally 8th house will be intense by nature and in the context of a given life time, has enough intensity to be classified as the most major dusthana.
This core engine driven movement requires vulnerability, trust, devotion so these are the major keywords of the 8th house. 8th house is vulnerability, trust, devotion in action, so all kinds of religious, yogic, meditation techniques fall into the 8th house. Trust encompasses partner's resources (including in-laws), so 8th house will include that as well!
Handling sudden and massive changes will be a significant part of the algorithm of the soul evolution, so both positive and negative windfall/bolt from the blue will be signified by 8th house. Same with chronic issues since they spur soul evolution.
We can do soul evolution only so much with logical means. So the matters of the subconscious, psychic, occult and afterlife are covered by the 8th house. Systems like astrology, though largely logical, is rooted in mystical "synchronicity" (astronomy-life on earth correlation), so 8th house covers it.
Finally matters of the subconscious have a tendency to instill fear and taboo in people's minds. So these activities, including breaking the law etc., belong to the 8th house. For this, we can remember 8th is 12th form the 9th, so 8th may cover the loss of 9th significations (law etc.,). 9th is also profound knowledge and wisdom, which we can look at it as the gain(2nd) from 8th.
Planets in 8th can be considered as inherently flawed, as in they have been singled out for the core engine driven soul evolution spurt in this life time. I feel that healing the bad lajjitadivasthas in the 8th, it will vibrate at the more desirable of its significations (just like any other house).
Please do fill in on what I have missed out here, thanks.
Anand
@karinia ,
Very interesting, I appreciate you sharing. Since your 8th lord Saturn, is strong in own sign, delighted by Mercury, and also delights Venus, it makes sense that you would have some positive experiences with the 8th house. Also, having that exalted Jupiter aspect is a wonderful boost.
What I've learned from Ernst in regards to the significations of the 8th house is that it's about transformation yes, but also about being able to trust other people and feel emotionally connected to the people in our lives. It also rules our flaws, insecurities, trauma, and deepest wounds. So, the kundalini awakening you had most likely helped open up certain blocks that held you back from connecting with others and being more trusting. That's just my initial hypothesis.