I read a couple of lines in the newspaper a while ago, a woman saying: "I know I´m not autistic, but why is it that I can´t deal with the every-day matters?" My first thought was: "Because you are a Five of Clubs!" I didn´t know about her, but she was googleable (?) and indeed, bingo! She was a Five of Clubs.
Since I´m autistic myself, especially after that I´ve come to wonder whether there might a relationship between that spread and autism.
Some possible indications:
- 3 of Diamonds on the Sun card. Extreme sensitivity to sound, light etc. Perfectionist - aspergers tend to perform highly within some special field.
- 7 of Diamonds on the Mercury card - the worldly world not working out very well.
- King of Diamonds on the Uranus card. We tend to have our own value system that we defend even if they want to burn us alive. You don´t find many aspergers to care about brands for example. We don´t fit in the worlds expectations, often.
- Five of Hearts as underlying card. This one is more far-fetched perhaps. Autists are often said to lack empathy, but I´d say - and I´m not the only one - that it´s rather the other way round. Autistic people can be v e r y empathic, as the example of Temple Grandin (see the movie!) shows. What often makes us come out as non-empathic is the very direct way that we communicate things, I thing. Well, Five of Herts is an emphatic card, right?
- Ace of Spades on the Moon card, maybe far-fetched too: knowing secrets. Aspie tends to see things that most people don´t see, I believe.
Any thoughts or experiences? If Five of Clubs is prone to autism I guess it´s not the only card to be that. Any more ideas?
Staffan
I have one autistic chart in the kala database, really need more! but this one is a 5 of diamonds and the 5th card is the 2 of clubs with mercury and moon in it. In the horoscope mercury and moon are conjunction, which is not a good conjunction as moon starves mercury AND this is happening in the 8th. So this makes a lot of sense for them to have a mental peculiarity. Saturn also aspects both of these by being in the 4th from the Moon.
That is interesting. My Mercury is starved by the Moon too, but to 40 varupas so not that severe. It´s in my 7th so it has very low DigBala.
Just checked the famous autist Temple Grandin´s chart and she´s a 10H with 10D on her Sun card, AD on her Mercury card and 5D on her Uranus card. So there could be something to it. But of course everyone has some diamonds in their spread, so it really doesn´t prove much.
Staffan
@ernst thanks for pointing that out. As a 5 of clubs with a heavily loaded 7 of diamonds, I can attest, I am far from autistic, and far from having financial troubles. In the past I was too warm and giving and squishy and have really had to activate the KH on the ecliptic in order to grow, so, seems that the 5C is going to vary tremendously depending on the planetary placements. I also get around in this world quite well but would rather just stay home these days.
Interestingly, I do have a son with aspbergers' syndrome vs level one autsim however the jury is still out if he will even appear autistic as an adult, as the autism is mild. Someone else posted about 7D and sacrifices, and with 4 planets in my 7D card, I have made many sacrifices for helping my son as far as career choices go, but they have only strangely increased my fortune. I attribute this to my moon barely waning in the mars card, without other planets (I switched to administration from patient care as a psychiatrist to have more time for my son--- 7D but ended up being quite a boon for me on many levels). So it seems the planetary placements make a huge difference.
If you want a chart of extremely high functioning autsim (vs social anxiety disorder with sensory issues, also he has recovered from a condition called selective mutism which led to him being socially mute for a number of years) I will post the birth data for you to see for my son at the end of this post, without his name. He scores in the top 2% nationally for math, science and reading and now, at age 9, is really starting to flourish after years of therapy and work. He is a 5S and my 5th card is a 5S, our moons are about 1 or 2 degrees apart, we are extremely close. His prognosis is good, but admittedly I am a psychiatrist by trade and I have poured hours into getting him well.
Here is the chart info (he was socially mute until approx ae 7 and we think the onset was at about age 4, but could have been sooner) and he is considered "Uniquely neurodivergent." Autism would be what is called level one without supports versus social communication disorder (formerly aspberger's syndrome)
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I often think that the warm and loving environment my son has grown up in is making such a tremendous impact on how he develops, especially when I speak to people who describe others in their families who are mute, and how through simply trying to do the right thing, they help their loved ones perpetuate their mute conditions by speaking for them, which, in effect perpetuates the muteness. Sometimes the families are just trying to do the right thing, and then, in other families they may simply not have to bandwidth to be kind, which can make the autism in a developing child worse if the case is a mild one. Autism is often co-morbid with mutism but social anxity is more often co-morbid with mustism. As someone who has read the DSM many times and who also studies CoT and astrology, I am here to attest that CoT + astrology gives a better understanding of these matters than the current diagnostic books (in my opinion, an n of 1 but still, I have looked at both and a lot).
I think mercury and the moons with afflictions primarily lead to ASD but the level of severity will really depend on the placements and progressions.
My dad is a 5of club, he is not autistic. He is Ceo of a Phone/IT company . But he has a hard time being social, lack empathy and is narcissistic (Saturn sun opposition). He has a hard time understanding reality, journalism, fact checking, to him you have to trust god and only that, he talks about God all the time but doesn't tolerate any religion except his own, so a bad club here. He has rahu in the 3rd in Virgo, that ketu in the 9th in Pisces is very strong, and his AK is Jupiter in Sag, vargotama.
@lorris Sorry to hear about that, I mean about your father´s narcissism. To my (own) experience one of the way 4 of Clubs on the Pluto card works is that we are just not allowed to be dogmatic, life treats us badly when we do, that resonated with me when you where mentioning your father. On the contrary, we are suppsed to arrive at 4 of Clubs later in life (overlying card) after having learned to let go of any fix idea, through constant questioning.
I also wonder what drives him to be a high ranked CEO, since the 5 of Clubs have strong indications for not being interested in money and worldly stuff. Maybe that´s just another source of frustration for your father, something that he would be more happy would he let go of it?
Vargotama is a wonderful thing to have according to my own experience/belief, I have it twice, for my AK as well as for my lagna.
Staffan
Pondering more on this... 3 of Diamonds on the Sun card is a perfectionist, "the Patriarch"(KH) is on the Ecliptic card and then they have another King on the Uranus card... Yes, Five of club really has to develop their humor and humility as for their knowledge and philosophy, or they may become an unbearable wise-ass, I believe. The Venus card Jack of Hearts may soften them, making them more charming, but still... Five of Clubs aren´t really allowed to be dogmatic, ever. But often are, of course.
Staffan
@staffan as a 5C with an afflicted sun, I did not need to develop humility as much as self-love. I really think the planets make a tremendous diifference. My lack of self-confidence precluded smart choices as a very young person and I gave too many narcissists permission to run my life. I would say I have not been dogmatic, but, i have been smug about how much I can tell from the cards and astrology (ha!). I think so much just depends on the planets in the cards.
@lorris wonder what makes him less social? The Sa opp sun? Sorry your dad is a narcissist that is a hard thing to grow up with.