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"Bad" Vargottama?

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To my understanding Vargottama is generally seen as a positive thing, even a blessing to a chart. But I heard Ryan Kurczak once expressing a different opinion, namely that Vargottama is only good if it´s a positive placement. If it´s related to bad dignity and bad avasthas, then it only make things worse, he says. What should we think about this?

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Vargottama is only relevant to Lagna and Moon. Otherwise just read as normal.

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@ernst That I know. My question was whether Vargottama is always positive, as is often suggested.

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Let me rephrase the question: Vargottama for the lagna is always good, since there really is no such as a bad lagna, right? But for the Moon it depends on the placement?

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Vargottama strengthens the entire chart. It's not about the planet. Lagna or moon, which is chandra lagna, in vargottama strengthens the chart as a whole and makes good things indicated in the chart bigger and bad things smaller. 

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@ernst would you still choose a vargottama lagna in a Muhurta, even if  it means putting malefics in bad dignity in the D9’s navamsa, Moon in the 8th, the D9’s navamsa lagna starved in the 8th house in D1…  basically, chaos.
what’s best?…

A) vargottama + chaos

or 

B) not vargottama + supportive factors

I usually go for B, cause I always have VTN’s or some other neutralisation… but maybe I’ve been underestimating lagna vargottamas power. 

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@ernst Thank you. I now remember that you have said this before so I´m sorry for repeating my question. It was just that Ryan, to my understanding, expressed another oponion. But if not for anything else I choose your take on it, since I´ve got Vargottama both for the Lagna and the Moon and very much need that help. 🙂

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yes,  he has gotten into Satya Jataka lately and its a good book and it emphasized vargottama. I used that in how i used to judge yogas as per core yogas. But over the years, I just found expecting vargottama to do something amazing created more errors than ignoring it. 

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For what it´s worth... A testimony. I have a really tough chart with Saturn DB / Rahu, whose lord is innemical dignity. I have Mercury leaking energy like crazy in the 7th house. I have Jupiter shamed in the 5th house.

I don´t think I´d gotten through all the hardships in my life without having double Vargottama. ( Moon is in GF ) To me it´s like a floating device in rough sea, and a good one.

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