It sounds like @Leela and @Staffan need thier own Only Fans page, just imagine the passion and heated fiery exchanges! Then maybe we could get back to discussing astrology, I bet you two have impressive Mars compatibility. Imagine the possibilities.
Obviously the Lajjitadi Avasthas are in control here and it's a mass of poisonous wind that will do nothing but divide and cause further pain.
The whole point is that you both have resorted to reactive points of view trying to conquer, prove or defend something, which proves my point about Mars. Have you both read what Ernst has written about "attachment to opinions on what should or should not be"? This is enough to allow space to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
On this note we should be reminded that we are astrologers and on an astrology fourm. Astrology affords us the space to step away from our personalized fixed point of view and see things from a wider angle. Astrology, as a science is concerned with global, spherical, taking into account the whole, expanded beyond geo-centric mentality is inherently holistic, pervasive, imbued with understanding of multifaceted points of view and since we are all under the vise and whims of karma - compassion for each other.
The whole point is to drop your personal B.S. and have cogent, insightful, aware and experienced discussions about astrology. This is the enrichment of yourselves and the group, so let's stop wasting our own and others time and contribute something meaningful, a meaning that is a light, a light that has been kindled by the seers and rishis of the past through complete devotion and dedication. A light that is still burning, one only has to look inside or go to Varanasi.
I just read the first couple post in this long post, I did not read the rest as I just don't have time, but what i wanted to say is that there is a tremendous amount of gender/marital problems these days because traditional roles are no longer valid. See, the 7th is what we can't give to ourselves, so we need to trade for it. It's our LIMITATION, its 7th, 7 is number of limitation and finding a way around that limitation - in respect to 7th house, that is done through partnership.
In Kali Yuga, men provide, protect. Women could not work in most cultures. The only meaningful thing permitted in many cultures was having children. So women were limited in what they could do, in how they could provide for themselves. So they trade for this and got a man in exchange.
Men did not cook, they did not take care of babies, they did not do a lot of things due to cultural limitations and they partnered with a woman to get those things. My dad was old german, he thought it was WRONG to play with children as a man, or to give love to a child, he saw it as a sign of weakness. thats kali yuga!
ANd yes, in kali yuga, in most cultures, woman had no choice in the matter, it was a male dominated world, because kali yuga is a male world cause it's a world that is driven by the the physical and men are physically stronger.
That has all changed now as we are in the dvapara yuga which is about the inner side, the emotional realm. So these things that were happily traded in the kali yuga, don't really matter anymore. Women can protect themselves, provide for themselves, having meaningful lives in countless ways. Men can cook, be sensitive, play with children, etc. I made a lot of money baby sitting when I was 11-13, my dad never knew, haha, that would have caused a ruckus. in fact, it started when my sister had to babysit for someone she had babysat for a long time, but she could not do it that day so recommended me. She never went back to them, cause they only wanted me after that. Thats dwapara yuga.
So now the question is, what the hell do we need an opposite gender partner for? That depends on the individual. Yes, some men are still stuck in the kali yuga and just need a women cause they, the man, does not have a vagina on his hand. if that's where they are at, there are plenty of woman who are also stuck in the kali yuga who are happy to trade their vaginas for what they need from a man.
But what we are all seeking from a partner in this yuga is something emotional and spiritual. Where are we emotionally and spiritually limited, where can we do the least for ourselves emotionally and spiritually. For woman its more spiritually and men its more emotionally. We have to learn what that is that we need on this level and then find someone we can trade to get that. But so many people are so abused on an emotional level that they just don't know, so yes, they will go to porn sites, have bad relationships, fall for a trap of what looks like something desirable. And we will keep doing this until we get in touch with those feelings and find out what's the thing, we REALLY need from another person that limits our life experience on an emotional and spiritual level?
and when we recognize what we need to trade for and find someone we can trade it with, we are gonna want to have sex with them over and over again. We won't need to replace them, or get bored with them, or have drama that is more powerful to ruin the relationship than that trade is capable of holding the relationship together. Until we get to this point, we are going to be screwing our lives up with relationships in one way or another and so there really is no room for judgment.
Before I check out once and fo all, let me just add one last reflection.
I think what happened in this discussion is an example on how society, and especially woman, measure men and women with different standards and craves accountability in different degrees. Men are systematically being mishandled by the judicial system, to begin with. Only today I read about a man accused of rape because the woman had been drunk and for that reason not in a state in which she could take responsability for a sexual intercourse. But the man had been drunk too, yet he is being held accountable. How does that sum up?
A woman can say things about a man that would never be accepted if a man would say it. And especially women have a strong tendency to excuse a woman for bad behaviour. If she claims that she did not FELT in a special way - threatened or disrespected for example - that is often accepted, even if there is clearly no ground for it. Even if she is crying for no reason. The man on the other hand will never be found to have a justification, in many cases, I´d say. This is what many men expresses on public places where this is being discussed. Personally I had to go through several processes in family court in Chile, in which my ex wife on one hand claimed that she had bought the house I gave to her with her own money, and on the other hand that she had no possibility to support herself - and she was believed in both cases!
Today women are starting to have not only informal but also formal power in the society, yet this has not been adjusted.
My belief is that it has deep biological and evolutionary reasons that can no be easily adjusted. Traditionally women´s role was to stay at home taking care of the home and the children. They had to stay in one place getting along, so they couldn´t afford big conflicts. For that reason they are prone not to question each other, but rather accept other women´s moods and take it for granted, even if there where no factual reasons for it. They would rather ostricize a person that either was or was percieved as problematic, rather than making justice, all for the survival of the group. We are talking about a strategy for survival here, so it´s very deep rooted.
Men on the other hand were mostly active far away from home in open places, where they could afford having a conflict to a much higher degree. Also their task was to solve often new problems, which called for logic and reasoning, and where discussions and conflicts were an essential part of the solving of the problem at hand. If the conflict became to hot they could just walk away from each other for a while, they were not bound to just one small place. They could split up in more than one group, and then come back to resolve the problem later. That is a male survival strategy.
The problem we have today is that these strategies are still working in our ways of being, since they are biologically wired in us. And we live in a society that is to a large degree vertically and hierachically organized, where the male strategy is needed. Our academia or enterprises are not going to evolve if there no place for conflicts. Oftentimes a new way of doing things or seeing things upset many people. If the tendency then is to look away and even shut down the person that comes up with a new solution, we are not going to have any development.
Already in for example Harvard University we can see how most pupils get an A or AB as a grade on most courses. Those were grades that were hard to achieve a few decades ago. So there is really no meaning in struggling hard to get a higher degree, it all becomes a gray mass, or mess. There is little room for original thinkers in such a system, or for questioning the established dogmas, which makes science pointless. What wins the prize is to be socially well adapted in an environment i which women holds the power, i.e. not rocking the boat. Just like me rocking the boat in this forum led to a discomfort so big that I feel that I have to check out.
Just as our boys and young men check out from the educational system, at a rapidly increasing pace.
I don´t think that there ever existed a society where men and women could study and work side by side. On a farm for example, the female and male tasks were clearly separated in most cases. I think that we are going through a huge experiment that is doomed to fail.
I´m not saying that a society could not be a matriarchy, and I´m not saying that it shouldn´t be. But I do think that women can´t uphold or develop vertical, hierarchic structures. Simply because it´s not a reflection of the female psyche. I use to tease my Mexican friends - yes, I have friends, believe it or not - by saing that Mexicans have a specially hard time to learn English. They look at me in chock until I clarify: "Because you don´t want to!" Then they laugh and agree. Most women don´t have a deep interest in keeping the verticality of a university or a company intact. But the problem is that our present society is built in a vertical way to a large degree. A clear and horrific example of this is the destruction of the once best selling beer Bud Light and the woman in charge that in interviews speaks about how the wellbeing of her coworkers was the most important thin /not realizing that she was mainly projecting her own uncertainty on them/. She seemed to have very little focus on actually selling the beer and not surprisingly it went down the drain. You may find the interview with her on YouTube. What a value a cheap beer may have or not have is really not the question, but for the men and women working on the plants and supplain chain it clearly had one.
I believe our society is doomed to crumble. And then maybe, in the future, there will be space enough for a horizontally build society in which women happily stay at home taking care of the Grandfather Fire, as they always did, and HAPPILY did, I´d say, before the men stole it from them and put into their machines... And gave them a spiritually dead electric or gas stove in return, which made the home feeling empty and obliged women to go out in society in search for the Grandfather Fire... But for that to happen we must be much fewer. But I guess that´s what´s around the corner, and with the eclipse, the devil´s comet and a rusty Moon in April, who knows....?
I think it´s a failure for this forum not having a place for me. I have contributed a lot, in an engaged and at least sometimes clever way, I dare to say. I´m a sSg and my names, Mattias Staffan, mean "Gift of God" and "The crowned", so you shouldn´t blame too much if I lack in humility I believe... Last time we had a major conflict in the forum I was not allowed to say that men generally are not attracted to a woman´s masculine side and was ferecely attacked for that by a multitude of women, even though Ernst bascially says the same thing. I uploaded a video from Annie Get the Gun where she things "You don´t get a man with a gun" and thought it was both spot on, cute and harmful, but no, it lead to what could be best described as a riot. This time I felt a wave of reluctance after me speaking up about hate speach against men, and that feeling has been confirmed by women on the forum. Noone defended my justified argument that we shouldn´t attack each other, men and women, in general terms. Noone came to my defence when I was falsely accused for having called women crazy. This time it´s me dropping out, but boys and men are dropping out in thousands and millions from school, universities, work places and relationships. A mass exodus has begun. Soon enough you will have millions of young men with no purpose in life and hatred towards especially the women that they feel have taken their place, and towards a judicial system that they feel works against them. Who are going to face that threat? Millions of female cops? Or do women need men after all? What are you going to offer men to get their help to rid up the chaos that feminism has created?
I´m gonna be honest: I don´t think I´m the one that should be ashamed for what have taken place in this forum these last day.
I´ll really do my best not to answer any objections against what I have written. Some lady criticized me for not relating to astrology in these comments, not realizing that it was a meta discussion about the forms for the debate. Well, now I´ll give you some: My Ecliptic card in the CoT-system is King of Hears, the father´s card. I´m very keen on defending patriarchal values, as long as the feminism is inbalanced. I have nothing against the idea of a matriarchy, but for that our society has to change, hopefully in a healthy way. My Uranus card is King of Diamonds: it makes me willing to burn on a fire for the values I believe in. But my Neptune card is Six of Hearts, which make me appreciate a peaceful home with a loving and caretaking wife at my side more than anything else in life. Which I have, luckily.
I wish you all wonderful astrological lives!
I used to be on a forum for psychology, oriented toward hypnosis, meditation what not, self development. One way or another at some point we can be argument prone, I have done that a lot in the past. Regarding the main subject though I tend to think any difficult Saturn may have a hard time moving on from past relationship. Look at the years in which Saturn is weak, like in 1998, 2002, 1968, 1978. When I meet anyone born in those years, they have a lot of trouble in their relationship, letting go is hard for them. At the same time I think they do enjoy those relationships, even if it's painful. I'm have been wondering if some don't have an addiction to pain primarily. Saturn is touch, how many people don't want to touch themselves, or force themselves out or boredom instead of pleasure.
I have learn from one Master Hypnotist that studied Mindfulness that sometimes learning to meditate without pain can be a much faster path to "visualization" or stillness. And he used a lot of physical exercise to help your mind focus, those exercise are very easy to do. But one need either patience Saturn or Mars will to do it.
How well you can do those physical and mental exercises without going to extreme laziness or extreme painful ascetic measure seems to be how you are doing to express yourself sexually also.
How much you can detach yourself from the results? and not pay attention to the obvious, our charts. I have that Saturn strong but close to Rahu, How much self pain did I inflict myself?
Rahu is getting close to Saturn and will be conjunct exactly in Pisces in 2025. One way I'm looking at it and simplifying a lot:
Both Pisces and Virgo are related to sex somehow. Virgo for obvious reason, Pisces for being the opposite of Pisces. If Virgo have been associated with a virgin, Pisces can be associated with a slut. Any of those sign trash by Saturn or rahu or both can lead to promiscuous behaviour.
We may forget that Aries and Pisces seems different but from spiritual point of view they are only 30° apart. Aries has Rahu in it right now. Saturn is in Pisces. The clock is ticking and we can observe that our consciousness is upside down, we walk with our head, or only with our feet. Or our feet are getting purge as Saturn is creating trauma there?
Similar events happened in 1968, drug culture, cravings for a Moon landing. And in 1877 the year Edgar Cayce was born. It's not a wild bet to say we are going to be attracted and traumatized at the same time when this happen.
Ernst video on the last eclipse that can be traced back to the Victorian Era, when the Queen succeeded the Throne and went to war against the Chinese, the opium wars. The first war on drug and terrorism? A lot can be said there also from what happened during those years.