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rryanr
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Very interesting topic.

Moving out of taboos could just mean permissiveness toward adharmic practices, so not necessarily a good thing. Already, sterile relationships involving fruitless intimacy are widely accepted "between consenting adults"/"so long as they don't harm anyone", i.e. pleasure for its own sake is normalized. However, if a society is worth preserving, values such as these would be inimical to it.

Recent cultural shifts are sympathetic to the philosophies of anti-natalism and, more broadly (and controversially), Satanism.

Anti-natalists deduce that the creation of new life is immoral, given that life always entails suffering whereas a non-existent being cannot be deprived of anything (as it does not exist to experience deprivation or suffering!). Thus, having children is crassly dismissed as selfish, lustful "breeding". Clearly, pain and a lack of love are at the heart of this position, but it is not illogical as such. Also, the artificial sense of female inferiority that drives feminism is here supported.

Insofar as Satanists see love as weakness, humans as animals (to be dominated and exploited), and money & power as the ultimate goals, then much of our injured culture lends itself to such a religion (consciously or not). Atheism as a whole is the inversion of purpose (i.e. randomness, meaninglessness, and insignificance) and therefore the humiliation of Creation. Note that Science tells us we live on a small spec in a vast, cold and empty universe and are the descendants of apes and bacteria begat from pond scum... exactly contrary to [almost] every "primitive" mythology.

To tie things back:
The problem of sexuality may well be intractable, which is why every culture that survives is rooted in values involving its control. Take jealousy for example, a spectre of human relationships, especially on the part of males. Yet even today, when a woman is accosted in public, a common recourse at her disposal is, "I have a boyfriend", which implicitly acknowledges that exclusivity with a man entitles her to protection from him... and, failing that, a band of strange men with guns can be called to protect her. Monthly subscription revenues do not buy the same quality of security as a bona fide boyfriend, it seems.

And yet, love is not jealous. Love is otherworldly. Lust is worldly; its fruit begets the fall.

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Leela
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@staffan

Okay, let me add: #NotAllMen. Happy?
There is also WGTOW, and women have their own pill equivalent stuff. I think they call it black pill, but I'm not sure... I don't live on the internet. For everything you said, there is the other side...and seeing as you are 50+ in age, surely you realize that?

It's not worth it for me to continue talking to you.. I mean you did call the women on this forum "Crazy" in your recent post. And yet you feel justified in self-righteously preaching to me to be careful what i say. You're a hoot, truly.. thank you for entertaining me!!! 🤣  The level of hypocrisy is truly stunning.

I also know Ernst emailed BOTH of us individually in the past to tone it down, and not talk to anyone personally. I have kept my end of the bargain to the best of my knowledge and ability, while you seem to have made a new username in the hopes that you won't be recognized as Matthias? I mean, I recognized you from your very first post.

People like you have made this forum an unpleasant place for me, personally.  I saw myself as some sort of balancing force in spaces, needing to balancing extreme voices. But maybe it's not a good strategy... It's better for me to leave now rather than see this beautiful forum descend into a fanatical MRA place. I hope it doesn't.

As such my karma with astrology is almost near an end. I am better off practicing my understanding in the real world. I truly thank Ernst from the bottom of my heart for all his work! I learnt a lot, and the understanding sped up my growth.

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@leela You are making assumptions. It´s not about me not wanting to be recognized. It would be nice if you would bother to spell my name the way that I actually spell it, by the way, it´s Mattias. As an astrologer I use my second name Staffan since a year ago. It has to do with my bad Saturn, related to the M-name. I checked with Ernst whether it would be a good idea to use my other name, beginning with another sound, and he confirmed that indeed it might.

It´s a blunt lie that I would have called anyone crazy. I said "the girls would go crazy". Quite a difference. Crazy in that context means angry, which you of course know. Where is the hypocracy?

I don´t think you have any right to complain about this forum being an unpleasant place if you act out of disrespect yourself.

I don´t see the point of you telling me about WGTOW, I did not say that such a movement does not exist or have no reason to exist. I was arguing against you laughing at men who can´t find a female partner, or that for several reasons choose not to try to do it. It doesn´t take away anything from women who choose to do the same thing.

I agree that we should not interact, but then please behave and stop giving me or any other man reasons to react against your disrespectful writings.

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Leela
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@staffan 

Posted by: @staffan

I was arguing against you laughing at men who can´t find a female partner, or that for several reasons choose not to try to do it. It doesn´t take away anything from women who choose to do the same thing.

Don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything of this sort. I didn't say it is men who can't find a woman who do this. That is your assumption.

No, I haven't been disrespectful. I made a general comment not aimed at anyone. I even prefaced what said in my first post by calling it tangential. You were free to ignore it, just the way I ignored all your posts from your "re-entry". Reacting is your CHOICE.

Plus, I said I'm leaving anyway. So why bother trying to "get me to behave"?

If you crave to be respected, offer that respect. As for me, whether you respect me or not does not inform my self-respect.

 

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@leela Speaking about men being superficial in general terms is being disrespectful Leela, no way around it. No need for that. You can´t go around making prejudiced statements and then blame the persons who don´t like to be categorized that way.

Yet when I say "the girls would go crazy" you choose to take it as an insult and turn it into something I didn´t even say.

Your advice implies that I have been disrespectful towards you. In what way, could you please tell me that?

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Leela
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@staffan 

If you notice, I didn't even respond to your post. I am merely pointing out your hypocrisy, because you choose to react and advise me.

Oh, not much difference between women "are crazy" and "will go crazy". The essence is the same.

If you want to DISCUSS, sure. if you want to tell me to behave, please refrain. If you can't offer respect at the INDIVIDUAL level while discussing IDEAS pertaining to the COLLECTIVE, I refuse to take you seriously.

Unfortunately, i don't have the time to discuss more. If you think you're flawless, you are free to do so. Your journey is yours. My journey is mine.

But you don't get to tell me how to behave, or to be careful. Actually, scratch that. You can tell whatever you want..full freedom. But know that I will do/say what I see fit as per my own conscience. I am only answerable to MY conscience.

 

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@leela What hypocracy? You double down on your false statement that I have called women crazy, which I haven´t.

I think it´s extremely rude to defend your right to be rude, but as you say: I can´t do anything about it. It´s how you choose to act.

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Quasar259
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It sounds like @Leela and @Staffan need thier own Only Fans page, just imagine the passion and heated fiery exchanges!  Then maybe we could get back to discussing astrology, I bet you two have impressive Mars compatibility.  Imagine the possibilities.

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@quasar259 Have I done something wrong? Did in anyway give her any reason to feel disrespected? I was just calling for decency. We live in a time in which male and feminist movements fight each other openly, to me it´s important not to let that in on the forum. One way of doing that is not making broad and negative statements about the other gender.

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@quasar259 I think it should be seen from a broader perspective. Many people approach these situations with a laisser-faire attitude. Sweeping it under the rug. "Let them be." Often in a way that I find denigrating against women, as if they wanted to say - and I´ve heard it been said too - "they are women, they can´t control themselves". THAT I find disrespectful.

It´s calculated that 50 % of the women between I think 22 and 45 are going to be single and childless by the year 2030. Of course you could turn the numbers around and show similar numbers for men, since we mirror each other.

59 % of the pupils in High School in the United States are now girls, a number that is rapidly increasing. Female criteria are now to a large extent dominating the school system through the dominance of female teachers, creating an environment where boys have a hard time to thrive. You may think what you want about that, but regardless of what one think is right or wrong we will soon have a generation of men that have no higher education.

Our society is going down due to the gender war, and I think that the least thing that we could do is to be respectful towards one another on a forum like this, where we are supposed to strive for more consciousness. I think it´s a serious matter that has to be addressed.

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Leela
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@quasar259 

I have already removed myself from this discussion, so this was uncalled for.

Good day.

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Leela
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@staffan

you said "would go crazy". not much difference for me from "are crazy". The essence is the same. No doubling down on my side, its strange that you think grammar will make a difference.

Hypocrisy is because you think rules of decency don't apply to you, even though you are being specific in saying women in this forum would go crazy, not even women in the world in general. and yet you think my comment, which is not directed at ANYONE, and is prefaced by saying it is a tangent, is something that is rude and indecent.

Yes, you are hypocritical.

This just ain't worth it. Conversing with you has a literal horrible and toxic effect on my body, my blood pressure is at 180/110 due to this (normally it is 115/80!)  You can speak in general with all the men how much ever you please, even on the forum. Start an anti-women post, group, movement, for all I care. But leave me alone- never respond to MY POSTS ever again. I forbid you from crossing MY boundary. Anything you say further will only backfire on you. Be careful. Goodbye.

As such I am researching some extension to block this forum.

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@leela No Leela, there is a clear difference between going crazy and being crazy. And it already happened once as you know, Ernst had to step in and stop you, didn´t he?

Never project your prejudices on "men" again, or address me in any way and I am not going to write to you again, I promise.

If you have a problem with high blood pressure you shouldn´t put yourself into this situations. You remind me about a classmate when I was a kid having a bad ear. We were told not to scream at him. Which he took as a perfect reason to go around and screaming into the ears of the other children.

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Leela
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@staffan 

What part of don't reply to me do you not understand? Ernst stopped you as well.

Om Saravanabhava.

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@leela Exactly like the boy I told you about. You talk to me, making accusations, accusing me of things, yet you expect me not to answer?

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Leela
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@leela Peace and love. I just prayed for you with tobacco, with an honest desire for you to feel better Leela. I guess there is a way of taking that the wrong way too, there always is and I do that myself sometimes. But I ask you not to.

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Leela
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@staffan 

Prayers are not a tool for power or recognition. They can be said silently. I have not asked for your prayers. 

Me sharing the pic was to turn the energy. And to tell you again- don't cross me. Truly. Leave me alone. Respect my BOUNDARY. Btw Ernst stopped you as well.

You can spew your women-hatred, just not directly to my posts. I will ignore you as long as it is not a reply to me or tagged to me. You ignore me as long as it is not a reply to you or tagged to you (like my original post). Leave me alone. 

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@leela I will pray for your physical health too Leela. Please don´t take it as a bad thing. I see no reason why we shouldn´t wish the best for each other.

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Leela
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@staffan 

Words are cheap. Show by action and respect my boundary by leaving me alone. I haven't stopped you from saying anything on this forum. Only TO ME. I have the right to say that. 
Also, there is nothing wrong with my physical health. This conversation is what increased my BP.

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