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 kam
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Could your father have been an Aries Sun as well? In my case, my dad is a Libra Sun and so am I. Sun is my PiK as well. Just thought I'd throw this out there.

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@kam That's interesting! No, he was a Sun in Capricorn and my PiK is also the Sun. Thank you for throwing that out there, though.

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@francesca-2 

I wonder if it could be interpreted as follows -

We get what we are. The darkness of Rahu with Mercury in 10th created a shadowy figure of what a father figure or a role model would be like. With Mercury there, you don’t have the opportunity to see the details of it either through different people.

10th house is also about taking care of our material well-being, so I am assuming you had to figure out ways to do that yourself, and your exalted Sun would have helped. Your mother encouraged you, denoting Ketu in 4th - what you already knew.

If you had had a role model, you would not have had Rahu in 10th house, or it would have been a different kind of situation where you would still have to find out about yourself in terms of the 10th house.

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@manisha 

Wow, that explanation makes a lots of sense. I have had to figure everything 10th house out on my own. I've had the inspiration, I've always had the drive, but no real role models. So that is absolutely true. I still wonder how that squares with Sun as the karaka for the father though.

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@francesca-2 

10th cusp is the concrete path your father traveled, rahu there with mercury in bad LA is I think you are asking of not good example. Being 10th from Venus too could further reinforce that.

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@amit 

That makes sense. I suppose what I'm really trying to find out and I might not have spelled it out clearly in my original question is not what points to a lack of role models in my chart as the culprits seem quite evident, but rather how it can be that one of the main Karakas for the father in my chart could still be so strong in terms of the LAs and its dignity. In other words, I'm not trying to find the thing in my chart that reflects a problematic relationship with the father. I'm trying to find out why despite that negative concrete manifestation I still have a good Sun. Shouldn't I have a bad Sun to match my negative concrete manifestation of the father?

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@francesca-2 

Life is mix of everything, so it's not necessary if a karaka is in great shape, all other related things should follow that. Karaka is the one aspect only. We need to look at all aspects and integrate the complete picture in a proper timeline. 

So one can have exalted mercury in Virgo lagna with a debilitated Venus there, so there path will be great when mercury is activated but suck badly when Venus gets activated.

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@francesca-2 

Whether a father is present in a concrete form or not, he is still there through the genes and is a representation of who you are or aspire to become. Sometimes the absence of a father creates the most influence in a person’s life, rather than the presence of one.

You mentioned that what you know about your father is mostly negative. With Rahu-Mercury in 10th, perhaps you are not really getting the full picture of him as a person. If it is hearsay, it could be subjective and not objective. 

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Francesca
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@manisha That is a distinct possibility. As you said, most of what I know about him is based on what my mom has told me (Mercury being the 4th ruler). Your analysis is spot on, Manisha. Thank you!

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@francesca-2

 How is 10th from sun and Venus?

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@amit The 10th from Venus is the afflicted 10th cusp with Rahu and a thirsted Mercury.

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This is an interest question because i have a chart where the individual has a great father,  a good 10th cusp yet the Sun in the Rasi is mediocre. I think a planet represents many things, many aspects of our lives like the vargas. A planet could be exalted in one varga and debilitated in another. The Sun is father but it is also you and your path. You have an exalted Sun, and i think that shows that you have always known your path. You have always been strong in following your own path. That is why astrology is so fascinating in that you have to look at many clues to derive at a conclusion. I don't think a bad or a good father equates to a bad or good Sun necessarily just because the Sun is the Karaka for father. Sometime the Sun represents father, and sometime it does not in a chart... Sounds like the Sun here represents you more than your father... 

 

tuyet

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@tuyetv 

Thanks a lot! This is the most logical explanation yet to me, I think. I suppose I was taking things very literally. Maybe the Sun doesn't have to represent the actual concrete influence a father exerted. Maybe, like some have said, it can be that a bad example serves as a motivation to do better. Fascinating how these things can be seen!

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I wonder if there was something exalted about your father, something noble that went wrong in putting it into practice and relating to the world.  I have a similar combination of good dignity and yet hammered situation in respect to planets relating to 10th house and father karakas and I can say from my experience (father is still alive) that my father has had very noble and exalted aspiration and goals, but in carrying them out things did not go as planned and how he reacted to them is reflected by the darker aspects surrounding 10th house factors in my chart.  This has reflected very clearly in my own path of working to not succumb to the same influences that caused the erosion of my father's more noble side.  The mystery will become more clear through the Dwadasamsa.

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Francesca
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@quasar259 

Thank you for chiming in and sharing your experience. You might be right. Unfortunately, j know so very little about him and his goals as he died when I was quite young. One thing I keep hearing from his siblings is that he was very intelligent, which would be in line with an exalted Sun, though it is said that intelligence is inherited from the mother. Maybe you're right and the example he set fell short of his own goals and aspirations.

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