Dear @ernst
I looked at a chart born in 1962 with 6 Planets + Ke in Aquarius in the sixth bhava. A Virgo lagna with moon the only planet not joining the others standing in Capricorn. So Ve,Me,Jp are triple shamed while Su,Ma,Sa are double shamed. And these are only the shamed Avashtas, 15 of them!! How do we interpret these charts?
the damage is too much and seams irreversible....
I remember Ernst said when u have 4 or more planets in a house not counting rahu ketu n that house is destroyed n those planets will not do well either unless they are in the 1st 9th and 10th
tuyet
Dear @tuyetv
yes you are right. that I remember but i was wondering what happens on the psychological/Spiritual level specially the Avashtas.
Actress Jennifer Jason Leigh has a pretty crazy chart from that year. Born on Feb 5 1962, all 7 planets and Ketu in Aquarius, 9th house.
She is lucky it is the 9th...and only 2 planets are combust. Really saves her.
Sun is very powerful shadbala wise, and Ju loses yuddha with enemy Ve.
Her AK and lagna lord are not combust which really helps a lot. Allows Mo and Me to have higher cheshta which means they can activate and operate the mind/intelligence with more ability, skill, and adaptability. She has a couple of nice yogas with Brahma and chamara yogas which are just nice to the chart. I believe her Vipareet yoga is what really aids her though, but at the same time making things tough for non evil grahas.
All planets in a fixed air sign too with final dispositing planet, Sa in 9th making a 9th house theme. I would basically read this chart as an Aquarius type.
Sun is very important when you have this all in one sign as the Sun is the King and his kingdom is all in the same House/Castle. I believe this is called Gola yoga where you have all 7 planets in one sign. Very rare. I recall it is not auspicious in general. Too much 'stuff' in one place. Every planet is shamed like 3 times over and Sun is shamed twice. All with Ketu shows a past life theme here and Rahu's lord is with Ketu and Ketu's lord showing she has done Rahu before (acting, skills, self expression stuff in 3rd in Leo). Every avastha is happening fully lol.
This actress had her father die in a tragic manner. her marriage didn't last very long either, well 5 years which is long for hollywood standards...She coins herself as shy, introverted, and averse to hollywood publicity and scandal. But successful and famous too, obviously.
Fun chart.
Well done making some sense with that chart. All 7 planets in one sign is rare indeed. Using astro-seek.com ephemeris search engine it's happened only 5 times during years 0 - 2500. 531, 907, 1662, 1962 and 2000. 531 and 1962 have a node in there as well.
Ephemeris Search Engine, Advanced Astrology Online Planet Positions Seeker (astro-seek.com)
Those 7 planets are not making any argala. Only moon makes argala from 7th.
D20 is looking good especially with 8th cusp which is the key cusp of spiritual devotion. 3rd cusp pada is great too. 3rd from Jupiter is good too.
In d24, 11th cusp is good. 12th cusp lord mercury is having manifestation too. 12th pada is more good than bad.
D16 is more good than bad too.
Spiritual vargas are too good than bad things from concrete perspective.
D45 - 9th cusp/lord is in great position. 9th from sun is great.
Indeed he is having extremely difficult life because of those conjuctions but if he is making efforts to surrender his life to God and Guru, that is what can only save him.
Are you talking about the chart that Ramin posted (the meditator) or actress jennifer jason leigh?? I believe planets in the 9th form argala? Right? Planets in 9th are forming the trine argala. Plus rahu in 3rd forms argala as a malefic.
Okay, we were writing about Jennifer Jason Leigh is who has 8 planets in Aquarius in the 9th for our sub-topic here..I got confused which chart we were discussing.
Actually as @ernst teaches four or more planet in a house will destroy the house and loose all their functionality except when in the 1st,9th and 10th Bhava. But how to interpret the avashtas that's my question. Specially for the severe case I mentioned above.
Dear @leela
I don't consider "seems irreversible"or "not much of a chance" absolute terms. It's just that the chance of getting out of 15 shamed avashtas is low.
It's not about bad reasons or practising meditation or being a workaholic in the material world, it's about if what one is doing will give him a chance to correct or come out of these avashtas.
@ernst mentions in the first lajjitaadi avashta course in the videos on Sa Avashtas, where Sa is starved by Mars: "Yogananda has said most of what people think is the spiritual path is really the psychological path, once the psychological path is completed, the spiritual battle is very quickly Won".
If what one dose, creates a false identification with something he is not, and this false identification gets stronger by time, it will be very hard to get out of it.
I know the owner of the chart very well, in one of his journeys back to the material world we meditated together and I could feel him. It didn't seem right or healthy.
My feelings may all be wrong; that's why I'm also looking into his chart; and the question remains: can normal techniques simply apply to these kind of charts?
If yes, then about 4 or more planets together @ernst says if Sun is there and some of the planets are ashta then the sanyasi path will not be true.
Also his Rahu lord with Ketu indicates that the evolutionary path for this person relies more on concentrating on his Ketu in this life time.
Thank you for you attention and insights.