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Shaman
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1) how do we read Mars in Aquarius, in the context of ladjitaadi avashtas? I am not finding an avashta for this.

when this is in a chart, do we just ignore it because there is no avashta for it?

2) when a planet is asleep, does it mean that planet has no effect or power for that person's entire life and they have to live without that planet's effect?

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Ernst Wilhelm
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a planet in a natural neutral sign does not have a lajjitaadi avastha, but it will always have some aspect to it which will determine its avastha. The sign does not help or hinder the planet. 

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Saturn is neutral to Mars so Aquarius causes no avashta. So it's not Saturn that exalts Mars, it's something about Capricorn.

I was just talking to a person with almost all planets asleep, but they were awake and doing things. So we can't take that avashta too literally. 

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Shaman
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@brightsun  thank you for your response 🙂

so what do we do when a planet is asleep then? when we see it in a chart.

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@shaman 

I don't know how to use those jagradadi avashtas. They don't make sense to me. I think the idea comes from vedantic philosophy of the three states of consciousness. Awake, dreaming and deep sleep. But in deep sleep absolutely nothing is experienced so it would truly make a planet useless.

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@brightsun so just focus on the Ladjataadi avashtas?

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@shaman 

@brightsun

I found few verses in Srimad Bhagavatam speaking about these states of consciousness. There its related to the 3 Gunas, Sattva, Rajas, Tamas which I find quite interesting. Below are the verses.

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ŚB 11.13.27 (ACBSP)

jāgrat svapnaḥ suṣuptaṁ ca
guṇato buddhi-vṛttayaḥ
tāsāṁ vilakṣaṇo jīvaḥ
sākṣitvena viniścitaḥ

Synonyms
jāgrat — being awake; svapnaḥ — dreaming; su-suptam — deep sleep; ca — also; guṇataḥ — caused by the modes of nature; buddhi — of intelligence; vṛttayaḥ — the functions; tāsām — from such functions; vilakṣaṇaḥ — possessing different characteristics; jīvaḥ — the living entity; sākṣitvena — with the characteristic of being a witness; viniścitaḥ — is ascertained.

Translation
Waking, sleeping and deep sleep are the three functions of the intelligence and are caused by the modes of material nature. The living entity within the body is ascertained to possess characteristics different from these three states and thus remains as a witness to them.

Purport
The spirit soul actually has nothing to do with the material world, having no permanent or natural relationship with it. Real renunciation means to give up the illusory identification with matter in its subtle and gross forms. Suṣuptam, or deep sleep, indicates sleeping without any dreams or conscious activity. These three states are described by Lord Kṛṣṇa as follows:

sattvāj jāgaraṇaṁ vidyād
rajasā svapnam ādiśet
prasvāpaṁ tamasā jantos
turīyaṁ triṣu santatam

“One should know that wakefulness is born of the mode of goodness, dreams from the mode of passion, and deep dreamless sleep from the mode of ignorance. The fourth element, pure consciousness, is different from these three and pervades them.” (Bhāg. 11.25.20) 

Real freedom means sākṣitvena, or to exist as a witness to the functions of illusion. Such an advantageous position is achieved by development of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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ŚB 11.13.27 (Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhakkura)

jāgrat svapnaḥ suṣuptaṃ ca
guṇato buddhi-vṛttayaḥ
tāsāṃ vilakṣaṇo jīvaḥ
sākṣitvena viniścitaḥ

TRANSLATION
Waking, sleeping and deep sleep, the three functions of the intelligence, are caused by the three guṇas. The jīva is ascertained to be different from these three states since it is only the witness of them.

COMMENTARY
Actually there is no relation of the pure jīva with the sense objects and material consciousness. Giving up the false identity is giving them both up.

“sattvāj jāgaraṇaṃ vidyād rajasā svapnam ādiśet prasvāpaṃ tamasā jantos turīyaṃ triṣu santatam ”

“One should know that wakefulness is born of the mode of goodness, dreams from the mode of passion, and deep dreamless sleep from the mode of ignorance. The fourth element, pure consciousness, is different from these three and pervades them.” SB 11.25.20

Thus the guṇas are the cause of the three states of intelligence (consciousness). The jīva is different from them. It is without these three states. Why? It is confirmed that it is the mere witness of those states.
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ŚB 11.25.20 (ACBSP)

sattvāj jāgaraṇaṁ vidyād
rajasā svapnam ādiśet
prasvāpaṁ tamasā jantos
turīyaṁ triṣu santatam

Synonyms
sattvāt — by the mode of goodness; jāgaraṇam — waking consciousness; vidyāt — one should understand; rajasā — by passion; svapnam — sleep; ādiśet — is indicated; prasvāpam — deep sleep; tamasā — by the mode of ignorance; jantoḥ — of the living entity; turīyam — the fourth, transcendental state; triṣu — throughout the three; santatam — pervading.

Translation
It should be understood that alert wakefulness comes from the mode of goodness, sleep with dreaming from the mode of passion, and deep, dreamless sleep from the mode of ignorance. The fourth state of consciousness pervades these three and is transcendental.

Purport
Our original Kṛṣṇa consciousness exists eternally within the soul, and it is also present in all the three phases of awareness, namely normal wakefulness, dreaming and dreamless sleep. Being covered by the modes of nature, this spiritual consciousness may not be manifest, but it continues to exist eternally as the real nature of the living entity.
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ŚB 11.25.20 (Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhakkura)

sattvāj jāgaraṇaṃ vidyād
rajasā svapnam ādiśet
prasvāpaṃ tamasā jantos
turīyaṃ triṣu santatam

TRANSLATION
It should be understood that wakefulness comes from the mode of goodness, sleep with dreaming comes from the mode of passion, and deep, dreamless sleep comes from the mode of ignorance. The fourth state of consciousness extends over the other three.

COMMENTARY
“What states of being do the guṇas produce?” That is answered in this verse. The state beyond the guṇas is described. The fourth state extends over the other three states in the form of one ātmā.
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ŚB 12.7.19 (ACBSP)

vyatirekānvayo yasya
jāgrat-svapna-suṣuptiṣu
māyā-mayeṣu tad brahma
jīva-vṛttiṣv apāśrayaḥ

Synonyms
vyatireka — the presence as separate; anvayaḥ — and as conjoint; yasya — of which; jāgrat — within waking consciousness; svapna — sleep; suṣuptiṣu — and deep sleep; māyā-mayeṣu — within the products of the illusory energy; tat — that; brahma — the Absolute Truth; jīva-vṛttiṣu — within the functions of the living entities; apāśrayaḥ — the unique shelter.

Translation
The Supreme Absolute Truth is present throughout all the stages of awareness — waking consciousness, sleep and deep sleep — throughout all the phenomena manifested by the illusory energy, and within the functions of all living entities, and He also exists separate from all these. Thus situated in His own transcendence, He is the ultimate and unique shelter.
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ŚB 12.7.19 (Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhakkura)

vyatirekānvayo yasya
jāgrat-svapna-suṣuptiṣu
māyā-mayeṣu tad brahma
jīva-vṛttiṣv apāśrayaḥ

TRANSLATION
That Brahman which is present in all objects as its cause, in states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep, but which is separate from them, is called apāśraya.

COMMENTARY
This verse explains apāśraya. That Brahman which as a cause is present in all objects (māyāmayeṣu), in states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep, but which is separate from them (vyatireka), is called apāśraya.

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I guess every chart can be analyzed at 5 levels of subjectivity (parashara analysis based on 5 elements) and one level of objectivity (Jaimini analysis).

For analyzing the fire element subjectivity, how hungry we are for self development, how alert we are to consume stuff in front of us, we should use jagratadi avasthas.

Just my understanding at this time.  I haven’t yet listened to the Jagratadi avasthas course.

Regards,
Anand

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Shaman
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@anand thank you brother 🙂

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