Every planet does what it does in accordance with its way of being. All these questions are going against the grain of saturn. Every one of these questions is asking about what to DO with saturn. Can you see the irony in that? Lets say someone says, I am not talking to you!
Saturn is Dumb, he does not talk. So they are being saturn now. So what do you do? NOTHING. Eventually, they will talk to you. In TIME, they will talk to you. In time saturn does what he needs to do, opportunities to make the house happen will come in TIME. and when that time comes, its upto the other planets, not to saturn. The probelm is we try to do things when its not time for it, and that means we waste our time and our lives as saturn is the hour glass on our longevity. Do what the time allows NOW, instead of trying to do things that saturn is saying, its not the time right now.
@ernst Wow...!
I have a debilitated Saturn with Rahu, which obviously isn´t an asset, generally speaking. But what I´ve really come like with it is that it doesn´t give a damn about certain things. If Aries represents initiative, life force breaking through, Saturn there is a cool looker-on. He doesn´t go for anything; like in native American medicine that I´m into; I´ve never been looking for any ceremony or substance or tradition, it all comes to me. Sitting there in a ceremony I´ve been offered wonderful visions and I´ve heard myself, from deeply within saying "thank you, but no thank you, I don´t need anything". A healthy lack of curiosity, as I experience it. A natural tendency for depression - sure! - but spiritual wise it spells out as detachment I think, and that´s not so bad.
Mattias
Just listening to Ernst speaking about the difference between detachments and denial; a starved Saturn representing the latter. Makes sense and I must admit I´ve suspected it´s that way; it´s like anorexia; not a healthy detachment, nothing to behappy about.
Mattias
@amit Yep. I´ve had such a privileged life in so many ways, yet a hard time to appreciate it. Like a low degree of depression mostly. Sometimes not so low neither... For me my parenthood has been my first priority in life, yet is a hard to give the kids a faith in life that you don´t have yourself. My kids have been hurt by that, for sure. Two of them have a Ketu/Moon conjunction, the third has a Rahu/Moon. With that said my youngest son is celebrating his 13th birthday today with friends and seems to be really happy. My middle son we sent to Sweden at 15, where he lives with my parents, and he is doing well there becoming a glider pilot and cruising through life. My oldest child, a girl, has been really hurt though. I had to leave the country where we lived; that I´ve told about in another context. She doesn´t speak to me. 🙁 (Although the cards seem to indicate that she will be back soon, But in what shape? She has Ketu/Moon so it´s a delicate process.)
But even though my chart is really tough in many ways - Pluto in a close conjunction to the Moon and an ashamed Jupiter, except for Ra/Sa conjunct in the 11th house - I also have double vargottama; both the Moon and the ascendent. I guess that has saved me to a large degree, in today I´m in a situation where I believe things are starting to flow in a more joyful way. I´m working on my feminine side, little by little starting to trust life.
Astrology helps me not to blame myself for what has gone wrong. It couldn´t have played out much better, after all.
And I´m so thankful for my double vargottama. It really gives me the feeling of having someone up there liking me. I feel I always get a second chance. Something good I must have done in previous lives...
Mattias
I was saying in general where it results in chaotic attitude which can affect lot of things in our life. Most severe theme is misdirected energy that I see resulting in depression and grief.
It is good though you have great courage to take it heads on!!
@amit Yep. Like wading through a sewer trying to keep your valuable stuff dry.
Mattias
@amit Thank you Amit! I´ve got Saturn/Saturn dasha running right now (and my Saturn is DB), so this is clearly something for me. (Interesting enough I´ve got 7 of Spades as my year card this year, in the Cards of Truth system; it´s like the most saturnial card of them all.) I try not to do too much this year.
So this is obviously something I want to pay attention to. Where do I find that mantra and how do I learn the right pronounciation?
Mattias
It's in graha sutras under japa section. I have attached the screenshot here. It needs 23k recitations.
You see the English version for learning.
I think choose any comfortable number based on time available to you that you can do with full concentration and devotion
@amit I found it on YT. In case someone else wants to learn it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL02S5RHapE&t=38s
Mattias
He has connected the words bit differently... I attempted to speak them as mentioned in graha sutras in the attached file
@amit I can´t wait to begin with my mantras for a debilitated Saturn! *dad joke for astrologers*
In the mayan calendar Cholq´ij that I follow, my energy is descripted as water and I´ve been encouraged to especially focus my prayer on water. So this mantra is certainly for me. I´m going to stay close to a river this summer, I´ll see if I can do all the 23 k mantras there. We´ll see.
Again TY Amit!
Mattias
Have you tried the other mantras in graha sutras like these from the Rig Veda? If so, what has been your experience? Seems like a great way to tune into the grahas in general on a deeper level.
Yes, I tried Mars a lot, I like them.. gives a good solid confidence... I like to do havan with these mantras whenever I can... key is to persistent long enough till they get deeply imprinted into the brain...
I am also these days looking for science to select rudraksha to directly work at chakra level... not finding much sources .. and experimenting with Australian bush essences which I find as amazing...
First, I believe you're going to achieve/receive what you have to from the Saturn houses anyway... to whatever degree your chart indicates.
Second, I don't think the "meh" attitude is actually truly letting go, or being detached as a true Saturn quality - which is a good attitude where needed. This true detachment is acquired by experience and contemplation, I would say. You still need to do (or pay your dues) the things from the Saturn house and so on, but being present in these situations is to me, the first step, because it will give the clarity you need in the long run. Simplicity is key when it comes to Saturn and its activities. I would not overthink this and get too confused.
Being in Rahu/Saturn has taught me a few things about simplicity and the need to actually put things in order. Seeing where I was tripping and causing me trouble, using the Venus and Mercury approaches to help out Saturn (I don't have that helping out my Saturn originally, which is actually pretty starved by the Moon) - and being BRUTALLY honest with myself, will help out perspective. Taking the junk out is really necessary. Simplify!
I believe working with discipline and not wasting time with stupid things is a good way to improve whatever outcome you're going to get. Focus on what is important, discard the garbage - be focused and use your energy wisely. You cannot control the outcome per se, but you can control how you use your precious time and all other resources. Not counting emergencies of course - so understanding that what you can do is in your hands, and the other part is up to God, or fate, or whatever, is always a good mindset to have. Keep yourself in order as much as you can - have a schedule, keep your home clean, your body, and everything else - it has worked wonders for me, and amazing clarity specially for my Saturn houses! And rest!
Oh, and acceptance. See the junk, take it out, accept things, move on. Be nice to yourself, take a nap.